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Voting period ends on 30 Jan 2009 at 22:16:47

•  Info created by Robert of Ramsor - uploaded by Robert of Ramsor - nominated by Robert of Ramsor This is at the limit of my old Vivitar camera. The bowl was on display in a glass case at the Black Country Living Museum hence the various reflections, as well as the description card. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 22:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
•  Support -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 22:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
•  Oppose The basket is of amazing craftsmanship but sorry, photographic excellency is indistinguishable. Poor cropping (handle), common lighting and average sharpness. Very rarely I saw good & impressive pictures taken from a cabinet - IMO elusive achievable in general. --Richard Bartz (talk) 22:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Poor cropping (handle) - not so, in that the handle is notcropped. But I did crop my original close to the handle because I thought that you would object to the distracting line of the shelf above. I would have liked to have left that so as to give a little more clearance above the handle. This kind of subject is normally housed within display cases in such a location. or else on display in National Trust properties where permission for photographs is not normally available. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 23:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't write a treatise for every picture :-) The handle (as a fast & significant example) is cropped 2 tight except for the optical imbalance of object, cabinet and background --Richard Bartz (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

•  Oppose Agree about the crop. And it feels a bit bright on the right side. /Daniel78 (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Additional description - This bowl has a much softer finish because it is hot-worked. The handle, the feet, and some decoration are a different glass from the bowl, to which they have been fused. Thus all features are rounded with no sharp edges to catch the light in contrast to the diamond sparkle of cut crystal. However, there is enough patterning to create some sparkle points. The strong side-lighting casts a shadow of the bowl which reveals more of its structure. The display case, somewhat restrictive for angle of view and a disadvantage for photography, reveals some subtle reflections from the glass shelf and far side. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 03:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

•  Oppose Sorry, quality of the photo isn't enough for FP. —kallerna™ 17:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

result: 1 support, 3 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. Pom² (talk) 13:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Alternative, not featured

File:BCLM exhibit 01 edit 1.jpg Voting period ends on 30 Jan 2009 at 23:58:00

•  InfoVersion with the display case shelf line above the handle which I removed. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 23:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
•  Oppose Not really better. Too much space is missing above the handle to move the object in the optical center --Richard Bartz (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

•  Comment It is obvious the the object is lower than the eye of the photographer. Perhaps the photographer bent at the waist to get the photograph and what this photograph was needing was for the photographer to bend the knees also to make the camera be at the objects level. -- carol (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the observation, Carol. That would be one way round some of the objections about the arangement of the picture. However, it then loses any significant view of the interior, which is an important part of the image as a description of the object, and defines its shape. Without that interior, there is also a risk that the object looks flatter. Also, the shadow is partly below the shelf, so some of this would be lost, unless I included the shelf as a potentially distracting horizontal line. But is probably would have been better slightly lower camera height. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

result: 0 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. Pom² (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit 2

File:BCLM exhibit 01 edit 2.jpg Darkening some of the white area and smudging out the shadow of the shelf above. Leaves the main disadvantage that the display cabinet needed rotating to avoid the dark area behind lining up as it did. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

•  Comment Thanks for the debate, folks. It gives me some reminders about things to aim at when taking phots in general. In this example, if I get the opportunity to retake this object, I shall need to 1. Ask the Museum if they mind taking it out of the display case; 2. Make sure that it is in a location where the background is not subject to different shadows in different halves. More generally, comments on other pictures have reminded me of the need to avoid cropping of the subject (like the official photo of Obama is cropped - his left shoulder is missing); avoid tilt; make sure of focus, etc. I may be a little disappointed with the comments about this picture, but it is useful to be reminded of what makes a picture better than average. Thanks, folks. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)