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Yonidebest
This RFA failed.
I would like to receive sysop privileges so that I can help translate the Commons to Hebrew. I would also like some informtaion on the translation process. Please see my preivous nomination - Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Yonidebest-1- - where I failed to receive four support votes as I was unaware I needed them. Thanks, Yonidebest 21:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: The candidate filed this request at 14:34, 10 April 2007.
Votes
- Comment See also Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Yonidebest. --EugeneZelenko 16:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Pacman 19:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support David Shay 19:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Odedee 19:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Since I didn't see it mentioned anywhere here, I thought it worth saying that Yonidebest has been one of the sysops on HE WP for 1.5 years. He is quite experienced in issues such as picture licensing which I believe are material on commons. I do not understand the uobjections listed below, in particular those mentioning the fast relisting - which was in fact proposed by EugeneZelenko. Starting from translations can develop to additional contributions - I would expect commons to promote this. Odedee 15:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Hbk33 19:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Yonatan talk 21:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Yuval Y § Chat § 21:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Deror avi 09:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Yellow up 11:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The user has no need for the sysop bit. If he had proceeded through the normal translation channels as opposed to RfA, the tasks he wants to perform would have been carried out last year. He seems to have little interest in engaging with the Commons community and seems almost desperate to gain the bit. I cannot confirm this (as I cannot read Hebrew) but this thread suggests the rapid voting above is the result of canvassing on he.wiki; which is disappointing. If the user has can indicate a willingness to carry out administrative tasks here and an understanding of copyright, I will reconsider.--Nilfanion 15:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Let me just get rid of the false alligations: I had sent a few (as you can see above) emails to the above admins in he.wiki to proove that I am trustwrothy. Besides, I had already mentioned I would help out with other stuff if I had time, so perhaps you should read the other nominations and reconsider. ALL my edits will be in the protected message pages and refusing to give a trusted admin the needed rights to edit these messages is in fact insulting. I no longer intent to translate the site while politics rules over logic. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Here's an update: I'll try and get 75%. BTW, considering the backlogs you (you and the oppose voter below) all have, I'd think that you'd think "Lets give him the right to translate and then maybe he'll help us with the backlogs". In fact, you think "Eh, he doesn't want to help us with the real problems? Let's oppose, cause wanting to allow 6 million Hebrew readers to read the site is not good enough for us". This is a egoistic way of thinking. In fact, I received an account on the foundation site exactly because of the reason I want one here: so that I could help with translations. A guy wants to help and all you want to do is to say "this isn't enough help". Shame on you all. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- You do not and will never need a sysop bit here to do translation. If you just talked to other users the translation tasks would be done. This is not politics but logic, its harmful for Commons to have sysops with no interest in the Commons community (and this exchange above demonstrate that to me); particularly when you have not demonstrated an understanding of what matters here (copyright).--Nilfanion 11:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- OF course I don't need it to translate the site. In fact, you too don't need it to do w/e you are doing - Just talk to other admins if you wanna delete something. Do you see where I am going with this? I asked for rights to edit translation pages because I want to do this the easiest and fastest and most efficient way possible, and for an unnkown reason this isn't good enough. I want to translate the site - how does this hurt the community? The sysop rights are a technical issue only. This is outragegous. Also, let me translate a message I opsted to the he.wiki Village Pump a few hours ago with the above update remark:
"Hi, I would like to translate commons to Hebrew and so I have offered myself an admin. Naturally I thought that once I'd be admin I might be able to help them with other stuff, but I didn't want to commit to that, as this is in fact a volunteering project. I opened a poll but didn't know I needed 4 votes. It was thus closed. The beurocrat said it can't be reopened and that I can open a new one instead and so I did. Some votes voted against me because I opened one so soon even though it was not my idea. Some voted against me because they think that wanting to translate the site to Hebrew is not enough, and that I also need to want to help them out with other things. Now I feel like less wanting to help them and more wanting to translate to Hebrew. They offered me to suggest translations in talk pages, but this isn't practical when wanting to translate a while site (although, the major part has already been translated, but many things have been missed or are worng) I would very much appriciate anyone who has an account on commons to vote here [link...] (prefferably voting for ;-)."
There you have it, word by word. It's what I call "proper disclosure". Yonidebest Ω Talk 12:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)- As a practical matter, being an admin is a trusted position and you have to demonstrate that that trust would not be misplaced before you gain the bit. Being an admin on another project of relevance but is not a carte blanche to gaining the bit here. To me, you show no sign of being willing to discuss matters with the community on Commons or understanding of how things work here. I respectfully suggest that you follow Gmaxwell's suggestion below - if you do that for a few months a new request may be received favourably.--Nilfanion 12:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Translating Hebrew is more trickey that you would think. It is a rtl language and this is a ltr site. Making hundreds of requests and having need to watch all of them is just stupid. I have prooved I am trustworthy by showing you the support I have from he.wiki. I am not a child and I do not play games. I though I might help you all but considering the comments I received here, I don't think it look like much fun. This is a cruel place, and I am only sorry that there is no seperate Hebrew Commons. After all your (as in, your community's) unfair critecizm, what makes you think I would now like to help you with this site exepct do my part in tranlastion? Yonidebest Ω Talk 13:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- As a practical matter, being an admin is a trusted position and you have to demonstrate that that trust would not be misplaced before you gain the bit. Being an admin on another project of relevance but is not a carte blanche to gaining the bit here. To me, you show no sign of being willing to discuss matters with the community on Commons or understanding of how things work here. I respectfully suggest that you follow Gmaxwell's suggestion below - if you do that for a few months a new request may be received favourably.--Nilfanion 12:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- OF course I don't need it to translate the site. In fact, you too don't need it to do w/e you are doing - Just talk to other admins if you wanna delete something. Do you see where I am going with this? I asked for rights to edit translation pages because I want to do this the easiest and fastest and most efficient way possible, and for an unnkown reason this isn't good enough. I want to translate the site - how does this hurt the community? The sysop rights are a technical issue only. This is outragegous. Also, let me translate a message I opsted to the he.wiki Village Pump a few hours ago with the above update remark:
- You do not and will never need a sysop bit here to do translation. If you just talked to other users the translation tasks would be done. This is not politics but logic, its harmful for Commons to have sysops with no interest in the Commons community (and this exchange above demonstrate that to me); particularly when you have not demonstrated an understanding of what matters here (copyright).--Nilfanion 11:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's an update: I'll try and get 75%. BTW, considering the backlogs you (you and the oppose voter below) all have, I'd think that you'd think "Lets give him the right to translate and then maybe he'll help us with the backlogs". In fact, you think "Eh, he doesn't want to help us with the real problems? Let's oppose, cause wanting to allow 6 million Hebrew readers to read the site is not good enough for us". This is a egoistic way of thinking. In fact, I received an account on the foundation site exactly because of the reason I want one here: so that I could help with translations. A guy wants to help and all you want to do is to say "this isn't enough help". Shame on you all. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Let me just get rid of the false alligations: I had sent a few (as you can see above) emails to the above admins in he.wiki to proove that I am trustwrothy. Besides, I had already mentioned I would help out with other stuff if I had time, so perhaps you should read the other nominations and reconsider. ALL my edits will be in the protected message pages and refusing to give a trusted admin the needed rights to edit these messages is in fact insulting. I no longer intent to translate the site while politics rules over logic. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with Nilfanion. I don't see the need for the sysop powers. Moreover, his relisting of his closed RFA clearly indicated for me that he is not aware of the Commons' rules and practices. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per the reasons mentioned by Bryan and Nilfanion. I'd like to add that the statement that "I failed to receive four support votes as I was unaware I needed them" has nothing to do with passing or failing an RFA. You don't canvass for votes, you receive them once your reasons for requesting adminship and your edits have been approved by Commons users. The sole purpose of translating the Commons to Hebrew is not a valid reason for requesting adminship numerous times, especially after the reasons for opposition were clearly outlined, and is not an excuse for canvassing for votes from users from elsewhere. -- Editor at Large • talk 20:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for opening a second RFA less than 24 hours after the first RFA closed (if I did my math right, if not it's close). Completely unacceptable. MECU≈talk 21:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You do have the maths substantially wrong. Eugene closed the previous nomination at 14:33, 3 April 2007 and this one was started at 14:34, 10 April 2007.--Nilfanion 21:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct. It was more like 1 week, I looked at Bryan's edit on the last RFA instead of the close one. My apologies. But I still believe that 1 week is substantially still not enough time, so my oppose still stands for that reason. People routinely wait a minimum of 2 months on en.wiki (not that that is a standard to apply here), but this gives the framework for which I think nothing major will have changed in 1 week. MECU≈talk 21:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was EugeneZelenko's idea to open a new request. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- It was EugeneZelenko (talk · contribs), who does not appear to be an admin on any project he has linked from his many userpages, who suggested it, but it was only Yonidebest's action that re-RFA'd. MECU≈talk 16:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Uhm... Is EugeneZelenko (talk · contribs) not a bureaucrat on commons?... Odedee 16:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It appears so, by looking at the box to the right and up, and not on their userpage, which seems odd. But, in seeing that EugeneZelenko has opposed below, that doesn't seem to lend support. In addition, Yonidebest's claim they didn't know that it takes 4 support votes shows they didn't read the instructions at the top of this page. I guess if a bureaucrat had told me to re-RFA I might, but if they then opposed the RFA, I'd feel like I was setup. For that, I apologize to Yondibest and hope they seek to correct the problems identified here and work with Commons in translating and seek RFA at a later date. But I think Yonidebest's behavior in this RFA speaks volumes about their character. Challenge doesn't build character, it reveals it. Further, the vote canvassing for support I don't approve of either. Oppose stands. MECU≈talk 21:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- About my character, please see User talk:Nilfanion#Admin and reconsider. Yonidebest Ω Talk 21:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Nilfanion, this user seems to have no need for admin tools on Commons, and it has been way too soon since the previous RFA. Speedily closing this may be a good idea. --Coredesat 01:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was EugeneZelenko's idea to open a new request. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose per several of the above. No need demonstrated, and too soon since previous, suggests that user may not be a good choice. ++Lar: t/c 19:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was EugeneZelenko's idea to open a new request. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but this soon? I note that EugeneZ seems not to have supported you, only commented. And you don't need to point that out at every mention of the request. ++Lar: t/c 13:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was EugeneZelenko's idea to open a new request. Yonidebest Ω Talk 10:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support --dario vet (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose --Herby talk thyme 07:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - You have no idea how helpful he is. Gridge 10:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Support - let's translate it! --צ'כלברה 10:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Hidro 10:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Having a Hebrew version no harm to wikimedia, on the contrary, it might bring more contributors. GlassOWater 11:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support he is the best user in he wiki--יודל 11:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Speak the language of the Hebrew, man! Hillelg 11:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A good contributor acting for a good cause. Lior 11:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support MathKnight 11:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Too soon. Josh923 11:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Are sock puppets counted? Yonidebest Ω Talk 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sockpuppet? Yes it is a single purpose account - but sockpuppetry is something very different.--Nilfanion 12:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Language barrier. In he.wiki "Sockpuppet" is a "single purpose account" too because their operator is likely to be someone who aleady voted. Yonidebest Ω Talk 13:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- If there is a specific allegation of sockpuppetry please ask any CU to perform a check. I am a CU and if you give me two userids or a userID and an IP, I will give my considered opinion on whether they are the same or not, in accordance with CheckUser Policy but an allegation that someone is a sock is not itself actionable by a CU. Hope that clarifies things (someone asked me whether a CU was appropriate in this case) ++Lar: t/c 13:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Huh? I am not allowed to accuse Josh923 of being a "single purpose account" = "Sockpuppet"? I never said who is his operator, I just pointed out an obvious undoubtfull fact. There is no point using CU (we have that too on he.wiki) because there are thousands of proxys out there. Yonidebest Ω Talk 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- You may well make whatever accusations you like but without a specific association to another user being mentioned, the accusation is just that, an accusation, and not a reason to discount the opinion. If you think Josh923 is a SPA, say so and leave it at that. If you think Josh923 is a Sockpuppet, say who you think it is, or else expect that the allegation will be discounted as not useful. I again offer to investigate this further if you give me more to go on (but also note that there has been investigation already and I infer nothing significant was yet found...) ++Lar: t/c 14:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Huh? I am not allowed to accuse Josh923 of being a "single purpose account" = "Sockpuppet"? I never said who is his operator, I just pointed out an obvious undoubtfull fact. There is no point using CU (we have that too on he.wiki) because there are thousands of proxys out there. Yonidebest Ω Talk 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- If there is a specific allegation of sockpuppetry please ask any CU to perform a check. I am a CU and if you give me two userids or a userID and an IP, I will give my considered opinion on whether they are the same or not, in accordance with CheckUser Policy but an allegation that someone is a sock is not itself actionable by a CU. Hope that clarifies things (someone asked me whether a CU was appropriate in this case) ++Lar: t/c 13:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Language barrier. In he.wiki "Sockpuppet" is a "single purpose account" too because their operator is likely to be someone who aleady voted. Yonidebest Ω Talk 13:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sockpuppet? Yes it is a single purpose account - but sockpuppetry is something very different.--Nilfanion 12:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Are sock puppets counted? Yonidebest Ω Talk 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Lacks the language skills needed for quality translations. Randomalious 11:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Lcarsdata 11:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment to some above users and to future voters, I would like to note that this RfA is not about translating the project: it is about what rights a user needs. Translations to protected pages can be done by posting the translation to the talk page and adding the {{Editprotected}} tag; an administrator will come along and make the edit. Adminship, especially on Commons where we deal mostly with images and media, involves more than one task. Yonidebest is asking for admin rights, and votes should be placed regarding his qualifications to be a Commons admin based on his work here on Commons. NOT because we need translations. Thank you. -- Editor at Large • talk 11:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support H20 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Yonidebest has not acted like he is willing to be part of the Commons community. Admins here must accept that Commons is a distinct project, not just an extension of their own "home" wiki. Yonidebest's appeals to trust on he.wiki don't convince me that he agrees on this. Secondly he has never edited Commons:המזנון which is the Hebrew Village pump. I consider our admins must be part of the community, and only translation is not a reason to grant adminship. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 11:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I am willing to be part of the Commons community, and don't know why you say the opposite. An admin must be trusted, so I had brought you proof I am trustworthy. You just interperetted it worngly. I have never visted Commons:המזנון because (a) I want to translate the site, not discuss polotics and (b) Believe it or not, there is no link to that page form the Hebrew sidebar (!!). The link is to the Egnlish Village pump. This only prooves translations must be made. I had already said I would consider helpig with other stuff. Besides, admin tools are tools alone (!), and I do not need to be part of a community to posses them. 17:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I disagree with the notion that comons should be a seprete project from wikipedia, in fact all the admins in en he and yi ask its users all the time to upload images strictly and prefereble to comons, for the simple reason that the wikipeias are only for text and files belong here. so please be welcoming of the hebrew comunity, they are strong and one of the most susesfull wikis we can only gain from their warm reception here. And by making one of their leaders here a sysop it will bring his whole project with him. Thanks--יודל 12:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment BTW info on translation is available at Commons:Help page maintenance. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 11:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per pfctdayelise + I do not consider the pushing for gaining sysop priviledges to be a symptom of mature behaviour. Rama 11:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose at this time. I'd be more inclined to support someone who's only interest is translation if his edits showed significant accomplishments in translating image descriptions. Having a really good UI translation is important, but translating the image descriptions takes real work. --Gmaxwell 11:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would like to put your attention to the fact that Yonidebest has put an notice at the hebrew wiki's Village pump at 10:42 with link to this RfA and, quote, "I would be pleased if any of you who already has an account in the commons would vote (preferably for me :-)". [1] Josh923 12:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to point out that I had already translated my Village Pump notice above.. Yonidebest Ω Talk 12:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support RonenAK 14:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Adminship is tool, not status. Candidate didn't try to translate anything before so I doubt that tool will be used for requested purpose. --EugeneZelenko 14:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I see this as a serious accusation. I demand an apology. How dare you suggest that I lie?! Of course I didn't try and translate before - I already know such pages are protected! Yonidebest Ω Talk 14:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How much edits do you have in MediaWiki talk namespace? It's open for anybody. Why you didn't follow pfctdayelise suggestions? Why you don't want to contribute Hebrew translation to SVN (extensions and MessagesHe.php)? --EugeneZelenko 14:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. Zero. This doesn't mean I have no intention of translating the interface. 2. What suggestions are you talking about? I can't remember every suggestion of by heart. Tell me the suggettion and I will tell you why I did not follow them. 3. Here you are totally worng. I am in contact with Rotemliss, the guy incharge of the Hebrew SVN. Problem is that Commons has special features not included on other projects. Most of the translation was done by him, but much more translations need to be done locally. Anything else? When will I get my apology? Yonidebest Ω Talk 14:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- From Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Yonidebest-1-: Yonidebest: rather than seek adminship, put the translations on the talk pages, and then list the pages on COM:AN and an administrator will transfer them over. Many other users do this for other languages. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC) If you really wanted to translate something you should follow this suggestion first. If extensions and MessagesHe.php translations are 100% complete there are not too many messages unique for Commons. --EugeneZelenko 14:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Simple, and I have already explained why somewhere above: I want to translate in the easiest and fastest and most efficient way possible. FIY, I am not gonna waste time on talk pages and on watching them and checking if any actions were taken. I prefer to waste my time on my bot in he.wiki. "If you really wanted to translate something you should follow this suggestion first" is worng. I do not have to follow this suggestion if I really want to translate something. You see, If I were to get the tools I need, I could also "translate something if I really wanted to". I am still waiting for an apology. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And if you'll need to delete something on other wiki you'll ask adminship too? Or will use {{Delete}} (or local variant)? I don't think that it's good idea to demand apologies from people who asked you technical questions. --EugeneZelenko 15:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see you are out of excuses. If I needed to delete hundreds of pages and was thinking of helping with other stuff when I'd finish, then yes, I would ask for adminship. If you are talking about one deletion, then my delete requests on this site should answer your wierd question. I want an apology because you suggested that I lied, that I have no intention of translating anything and that I want it because of "status". Technical questions are welcome anytime. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Back to my example with deletion: I don't think that anybody will grant you administrator status for mass deletion if you are not participated in deletion before (templates, discussion, etc.) Same thing with translation.
- You are talking about hundreds of MediaWiki messages which need translation. Could you please provide more specific examples? I see some untranslatedn messages on sidebar, but it's definitely not hundreds. Again best and most useful for all projects way to translate hundreds of messages - to updated translation in SVN.
- As for my words - I may have doubts and express them. You may interpret my words as you want. But please don't insist that you interpretation is only one correct.
- EugeneZelenko 15:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you are worng. If it is utterly clear that the deletions I want to make are undoubtfully correct, and considering my Wikiemdia history (see User talk:Nilfanion#Admin) and considering there is no one else that can/wants to do the deleting, I would be sure I would be taken on with open hands.
I might be stretching it with the messages, but I have no doubt I am talking about hundreds of edits, and as such, w/o being admin, that is a lot of watching and monitoring.
You may have doubt but when they hurt someone, it is customary to apologize if you got someone upset.
Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Back to you reason for request. What do you want to translate exactly? Please provide specific examples.
Watching and monitoring is not depends on admin flag.
EugeneZelenko 15:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- (A) Of course Watching and monitoring is not depends on admin flag, but I will need to monitor and watch all my requests to make sure htey are preform, and preformed correctly. This is much of a hassle. I have alread prooven I am a trusted user, why not just give the tools I need? (B) At first glance, I need to fix all the English interface add Hebrew tools that the English interface has, such as "check usage", "find categories", "log", "en", and another new one: "he"; Add Hebrew shortcuts in JS (which in fact needs to be added also in English; Translate the Hebrew upload page (dah!) and use JS to fix the mess that ltr interface has done to that page; Translate all the licenses to Hebrew in that form; and that is only from one minute of scouting in the site. Perhaps when I am done translating all the main protected pages, I will then translate other parts of the site, such as the help pages and the license pages and the welcome page, comuunity page, etc. The last don't need admin tools, but as I said, they are comething I will consider doing after the more important parts of the site are translated. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I could only quote Nilfanion: If he had proceeded through the normal translation channels as opposed to RfA, the tasks he wants to perform would have been carried out last year. as reply to these words. I don't have other questions. --EugeneZelenko 16:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So in principle you don't want to give me the tools? You know I am trustworthy, you know I need them, then why not support? Because there is a slower alternative way? Yes, I could have done it the way he suggested, but what a waste of time that would be - I would have to neglect all my other stuff just to translate this site, waiting for responses for my requests. This is unacceptable. This is not what Wikimedia Foundation expects. Yonidebest Ω Talk 16:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I could only quote Nilfanion: If he had proceeded through the normal translation channels as opposed to RfA, the tasks he wants to perform would have been carried out last year. as reply to these words. I don't have other questions. --EugeneZelenko 16:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (A) Of course Watching and monitoring is not depends on admin flag, but I will need to monitor and watch all my requests to make sure htey are preform, and preformed correctly. This is much of a hassle. I have alread prooven I am a trusted user, why not just give the tools I need? (B) At first glance, I need to fix all the English interface add Hebrew tools that the English interface has, such as "check usage", "find categories", "log", "en", and another new one: "he"; Add Hebrew shortcuts in JS (which in fact needs to be added also in English; Translate the Hebrew upload page (dah!) and use JS to fix the mess that ltr interface has done to that page; Translate all the licenses to Hebrew in that form; and that is only from one minute of scouting in the site. Perhaps when I am done translating all the main protected pages, I will then translate other parts of the site, such as the help pages and the license pages and the welcome page, comuunity page, etc. The last don't need admin tools, but as I said, they are comething I will consider doing after the more important parts of the site are translated. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Back to you reason for request. What do you want to translate exactly? Please provide specific examples.
- I think you are worng. If it is utterly clear that the deletions I want to make are undoubtfully correct, and considering my Wikiemdia history (see User talk:Nilfanion#Admin) and considering there is no one else that can/wants to do the deleting, I would be sure I would be taken on with open hands.
- I can see you are out of excuses. If I needed to delete hundreds of pages and was thinking of helping with other stuff when I'd finish, then yes, I would ask for adminship. If you are talking about one deletion, then my delete requests on this site should answer your wierd question. I want an apology because you suggested that I lied, that I have no intention of translating anything and that I want it because of "status". Technical questions are welcome anytime. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And if you'll need to delete something on other wiki you'll ask adminship too? Or will use {{Delete}} (or local variant)? I don't think that it's good idea to demand apologies from people who asked you technical questions. --EugeneZelenko 15:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Simple, and I have already explained why somewhere above: I want to translate in the easiest and fastest and most efficient way possible. FIY, I am not gonna waste time on talk pages and on watching them and checking if any actions were taken. I prefer to waste my time on my bot in he.wiki. "If you really wanted to translate something you should follow this suggestion first" is worng. I do not have to follow this suggestion if I really want to translate something. You see, If I were to get the tools I need, I could also "translate something if I really wanted to". I am still waiting for an apology. Yonidebest Ω Talk 15:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- From Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Yonidebest-1-: Yonidebest: rather than seek adminship, put the translations on the talk pages, and then list the pages on COM:AN and an administrator will transfer them over. Many other users do this for other languages. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC) If you really wanted to translate something you should follow this suggestion first. If extensions and MessagesHe.php translations are 100% complete there are not too many messages unique for Commons. --EugeneZelenko 14:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. Zero. This doesn't mean I have no intention of translating the interface. 2. What suggestions are you talking about? I can't remember every suggestion of by heart. Tell me the suggettion and I will tell you why I did not follow them. 3. Here you are totally worng. I am in contact with Rotemliss, the guy incharge of the Hebrew SVN. Problem is that Commons has special features not included on other projects. Most of the translation was done by him, but much more translations need to be done locally. Anything else? When will I get my apology? Yonidebest Ω Talk 14:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How much edits do you have in MediaWiki talk namespace? It's open for anybody. Why you didn't follow pfctdayelise suggestions? Why you don't want to contribute Hebrew translation to SVN (extensions and MessagesHe.php)? --EugeneZelenko 14:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I see this as a serious accusation. I demand an apology. How dare you suggest that I lie?! Of course I didn't try and translate before - I already know such pages are protected! Yonidebest Ω Talk 14:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Ingsoc 14:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support איתמר ק. 15:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose because of: (1) relisting a withdrawn RFA just to make a point; (2) Sysop powers are not needed for what user says he wants to do; (3) No apparent interest in doing any actual sysop work; (4) Canvassing for votes; (5) appears to be highly argumentative if what I see here is any guide. --MichaelMaggs 15:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (1) I did so because I did not know I needed 4 votes. I did not do it "to make a point". (2) I need to edit many protect pages. Sysop tools (not powers) allow me to do this. (3) You must have not read the above discussions, please read them and you will see this point is also worng. (4) I never told anyone how to vote. You wanted to see if I am trust worthy, and the votes say I am. Besides, I did not know I am not allowed to request ppl on my he.wiki to vote here. Shall I remove the message from the Village Pump? (5) Of course I am argumentative now, I asked for a simple thing and you think I want to be king. Yonidebest Ω Talk 16:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- p.s. Since trust is important, perhaps I should also let you all know that my bot [2] had made over 39,000 edits overall on he.wiki, over 2,400 deletions, and over 1,200 moves. I don't know if this counts as alot here commons or in en.wiki, but for the he.wiki it is worth something. Plus, I did all that in only 3 month :-) Yonidebest Ω Talk 16:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I share pfctdayelise's opinion. Wsiegmund 21:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Rotemdan 22:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Hashekemist 11:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Not the right reasons for adminship. Danny 16:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per pfctdayelise. Kjetil r 16:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Bryan, pfctdayelise and others. — Timichal 16:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose An admin candidate must at least be familiar with categorizing content. Samulili 16:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose because, according to this, our advice is not good enough for this person. What would we do with a sysop that can't even accept community decision, when he's supposed to apply them ? Darkoneko 18:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose As per pfctdayelise, Rama, and others. Arria Belli | parlami 18:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, per pfctdayelise, Lar, et al. Titoxd(?!?) 00:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose If you want to translate, just translate! If you want to help out in COM:DEL, that's a different story. Also agreeing with Lar, Bryan, and others. V60 干什么? · VContribs 00:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I rarely vote or talk on the Wikimedia Commons due to various reasons (poor english in write form, lack of free time to read and write something [the problem isn't reading, but writing]). But I really need to do my oppose on this RfA because the generated flamewar here and on the foundation-l. Nothing against you, yonidebest, but against your playing on the RfA. Lugusto • ※ 04:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, and maybe close this RFA for a while. Yonidebest, you don't need sysop tools for translating... please go ahead and translate, and after you've made some progress and find that not having the tools is getting in the way, you can request an RFA again. Just don't canvass on a local wiki next time for votes on commons, because while commons does serve he.wp, it serves all other ones too, and canvassing on other wikis isn't good for the community here. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 11:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Being trusted on he: ≠ being trusted on commons. MichaelMaggs points. Making them in Mediawiki talk: is much easier for you than all this RfA, and moving them to Mediawiki: by an admin is easy too. If you translate hundreds of messages (which can be grouped in one request, btw) and administrators can't cope with it (as you seem to imply) then it's our problem. You don't need to be a sysop to translate templates, but you only edited 3 of them. I'm waiting to see your translations... Platonides 13:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support EffiB 21:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Further Comment When I look over this RfA (contrast it with 95%+ of other RfAs for reference) I see a very long page filled with argument, much of it you, Yonidibest, arguing every point with others. That is not a good sign that you will be a successful admin here. I strongly urge you to withdraw this request and if you still want to be an admin, take the advice many others have given you on board, do the things suggested to demonstrate interest in this community and a desire to be helpful, and return after some time, with a different attitude and approach. We are a forgiving lot with a short memory, a positive contribution record does much to erase the past. Since this nomination does not stand a chance of succeeding in my considered judgement, I think if you do not withdraw it, an early close by a 'crat is warranted to prevent further disruption. Regardless of your standing on .he, it is clear to me that you do not have the trust of THIS community at this time that you are sincerely interested in helping here, and that you will do so in a friendly, helpful manner, one that is in tune with our traditions and practices.++Lar: t/c 14:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Idan d 13:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose --.anaconda 12:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose --ALE! ¿…? 14:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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