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- Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Non-photographic media/Maps
- Info created by Igor Konstantinovich Fomenko - uploaded & nominated by Niklitov -- Niklitov (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Niklitov (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Question Could you please explain what you think makes this special to deserve to be featured? As it is IMHO this would be more suited for the Wikipedia FPC for encyclopedic value. – Lucas 21:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. Guten Tag, Mr Lucas! About encyclopedic value. The vexilographic maps by the End of the 13th — the 17th Centuries is used in articles: w:en:Second Bulgarian Empire, Byzantine Empire (ru). The map can be used in articles: w:en:Moldavia, w:en:Empire of Trebizond, w:en:Isfendiyarids, w:en:Ottoman Empire, w:en:House of Dadiani, w:en:Crimean Khanate, w:en:Kingdom of Imereti, w:en:Golden Horde etc. It can also be used in articles about old cities of historical states, for example, Semiso (Simisso/Simixo/Symyso) city. SVG flags of former countries (collected from Portolan charts) can be used in w:en:Template:Infobox country ('Preceded by' and 'Succeeded by' value). — Niklitov (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Lucas's point is that because of its encyclopedic value, it would be a good candidate for a nomination for Featured Picture on a Wikipedia. He's asking what makes it a good nominee for Featured Picture on Wikimedia Commons. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- ^Exactly. Please consider nominating this at the Wikipedia FPC using your throrough explanation. Oppose here, it doesn't fit. – Lucas 20:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hm, I found other SVG-maps, ex. They are very similar in quality and have FPC status. Work done at a high level. This map is published in three great gift monographs. High art - „here, it doesn't fit“? Maybe I don’t understand something important in the nomination rules and in the VG-level? — Niklitov (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Piotr Bart (talk) 22:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support Daniel Case (talk) 05:11, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - The map looks interesting, but Russian is a language I don't know how to read, so I really can't evaluate this map fairly. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done, Ikan Kekek!: add Key in English (and note of Gadget-ImageAnnotator). On the map are ancient cities in Latin. Ok?) — Niklitov (talk) 10:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Much appreciated, but the key doesn't cover all the icons on the map. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done, Ikan Kekek: about the icons on the map: this is images (16 Coats of arms of cities) from The 14th-century map by Giovanni da Carignano. Please find the icons on the map into English with Gadget-ImageAnnotator. — Niklitov (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks; I understand a lot better, but please walk me through the coats of arms I see for Sinop: First, we have the Janjarid Emirate from 1320-21 and 1327, and again under a different coat of arms in 1423. In 1428, what is the flag with the Jewish star and crescent? Then we get the Genoans. After that is a trifurcated white flag; whose flag is that? Then we have a red flag with a yellow rectangle in the center - who is that? Then we have the Ottomans, followed by a red flag. Who's the red flag? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- О! Sorry, Ikan Kekek! Times are years of create maps (Portolan charts). I added a translation to the legend. I will prepare the answer for the flags. — Niklitov (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, these are authentic flags of Sinop by Cartographers, ex: from the coins of the middle ages.
- The star and crescent are Flag of the Sinopian Jandarid Emirate;
- trifurcated white flag of the Ottoman, Ottoman Empire by João Freire, сartographer from Portugal;
- red flag with a yellow rectangle in the center of the Ottoman Empire by Turkish Cartographer El Hackebul Hassan, 16th-century;
- red flag of the Ottoman, Ottoman Empire by Domingo Oliva, сartographer from Aragon, etc.
- Done I added English using Gadget-ImageAnnotator. — Niklitov (talk) 23:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry if I'm being dense, but I still am not seeing them. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Excuse me, please, not understand what you do not find? Flags description or years of create maps legend or ...? — Niklitov (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- When I checked yesterday, I still didn't see all of the flags explained. Really, I'd like to vote for this map, but if I'm unable to use it to explain everything, I can't support it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --S. DÉNIEL (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Let me start with noting that over-all this map is much closer to professional quality than some of our current FP (e.g. File:Chicago top down view.png or File:LithuaniaHistory.png). It looks like a it would serve its purpose, but it is visually cluttered. To some degree that is due to the amount of information it has to convey (flags, symbols and numbers). But some of that clutter could have been avoided easily: The major problem I have with this map, is that the blue lines (legend at top left, are those shipping routes?) basically disappear in the visual noise that is created not only by the other symbols and numbers, but also by all those rivers that are not really relevant. Reducing the amount of small rivers to about 10% of what is currently shown by only keeping the ones important for navigating around the map would greatly increase the over-all readability of the map. Each map is a simplified depiction of reality, and one of the most important skills of a professional map maker is knowing what not to show. This is very close to what I'd expect to see in a printed atlas, but not quite FP-close yet. --El Grafo (talk) 09:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your attention, El Grafo! Yes, this is reconstruction of navigation routes from:
- Tammar Luxoro Maritime Atlas (beginning of the 14th century)
- The Catalan Atlas of Abraham Cresques (1375)
- Andrea Bianco Maritime Map (1490)
- Juan Martínez Maritime Map (1570)
- ( Done I translated the legend on the map into English with Gadget-ImageAnnotator).
- This is a reconstruction of old maps. All old maps (Portolan chart) are overloaded with information (ex: File:Europe Mediterranean Catalan Atlas.jpeg etc). :) Rivers and navigation routes do not interfere at all with the image, but decorate and make the map scientific. For the life of people and travelers of the Middle Ages the river played a huge role — need to show. This is a Maritime chart (this is not a scheme). :) — Niklitov (talk) 13:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support --MZaplotnik(talk) 21:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 5 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Basile Morin (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)