User talk:باسم

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Yours sincerely,  Goldsztern  ✶  06:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Mediation Request

Hi @باسم

I hope everything is going well on your end. As we are currently engaged in an edit war and one of the sysops which is علاء from arwiki, which I perceive as a form of intimidation from your side, I have initiated a request for mediation. I wanted to inform you about it. Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Request for Neutral Sysop Mediation

Regards Riad Salih (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: I don't see this as an edit war, and i don't need anyone to defend or speak for me, as I'm sure you know, but you are asking to change a fixed known fact with something wrong and illogical-- باسم (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please point out any specific issues or inconsistencies, and I will address each one of them. The original map has been in place for at least 10 years, and during that time, no one has raised any concerns about its accuracy. Riad Salih (talk) 21:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: you know them. I told you on arwiki. The original map doesn't need fixing, anyone who knows a bit of history knows that it meant: The Ottoman province (Eyalet) of Algiers, and not the "independent state or kingdom of Algeria"-- باسم (talk) 21:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, if we go back to our previous conversation, I thanked you for the map and didn't intend to have edit wars at all.

You wrote "إيالة الجزائر خلال الحكم العثماني" (The Regency of Algiers during Ottoman rule), while the original version is "Regency of Algiers." Simply writing "Regency of Algiers" is sufficient because this historical terminology itself indicates that it was during Ottoman rule.

Here on Commons, I asked you to add "محافظة" (province) before "Beyleks (بيالك)" because not all readers are familiar with historical Ottoman words that are not Arabic. Adding "province" helps explain the concept to non-familiar readers, especially since the file was added to Arabic Wikipedia articles.

Regarding the mention of "the actual Algeria" that you may be referring to, neither Poudou99 nor I are ignorant of this historical fact about territories. I didn't even mention changing it on Commons, and you yourself added the category 'historical map of Algeria.' So, where are my historical false claims?

That's all. This change does not warrant further discussion or unnecessary conflicts. Riad Salih (talk) 21:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: you cannot replace a historical term with another. Beylik does not necessarily mean "Muhafaza", and not even an equivalent. The modern "Muhafaza" in most Arab countries is the largest administrative subdivision, and in others its the 2nd level subdivision, thus its not accurate to consider it equivalent to a Beylik, which is a 2nd level subdivision in an Eyalet, which make it the same as a Sanjak in other Ottoman provinces. Besides, who ever wants to know what a Beylik is can visit its article, or any editor can add a footnote explaining what it is-- باسم (talk) 22:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The article on enwiki is titled 'Regency of Algiers,' not 'Regency of Algies' under Ottoman rule. Therefore, no one is creating new historical terms. The term 'Beylik' is not an Arabic word but Turkish. In Algeria specifically, it was a kind of province 'Mouhafada' or 'Moukataa,' which was almost equivalent to the three departments under French rule. No one has asked to replace any historical term; I didn't say to omit the word 'beylik,' just to add a small equivalent term before it, such as 'province.' The term is used in both French and English (provinces), so it's not a term that came out of nowhere. You can name it as you like; it's a small detail that doesn't require all this long discussion. You could have simply added it. Riad Salih (talk) 22:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: no that's not right-- باسم (talk) 08:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I have the discussion in my watchlist, so please, there's no need to ping me every time.

Please provide some references or expand on your explanation. The response 'no that's not right' lacks clarity.

The Regency of Algiers should suffice. I have already explained why. When we refer to the Regency of Algiers, it is understood that it was under Ottoman rule. It is a historical term, and anyone can easily find information about it through a simple Google search.

You mentioned that 'province' cannot be added for a non-reader, and 'beylik' is not Turkish, but it can still be understood by anyone without needing a full explanation. Whether we call it a province, beylik, departement, wilaya, or any other term, it remains a province.

You just want to stick to it, while you already believe that everything I'm saying is logical. Riad Salih (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Stop wasting my time and yours. i will not change anything because your request is wrong as i have explained about 5 times till now. I'm not adding anything more in this matter. Don't message me again unless you wanna ask about anything else in commons-- باسم (talk) 09:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The mediator will handle this conflict. If it had been your initial map, I might have comprehended it. However, since you're merely offering a translation of the original map, there are no modifications to change the texts. Otherwise, as you mentioned, it seems like we've both wasted our time, when it could have been much simpler. Riad Salih (talk) 09:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)