File talk:Visa requirements for Iranian citizens.png

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Hi User:Milad Mosapoor. I can reiterate here as well that before making any new uploads which are obviously contentious, the issue should be resolved on the talk page instead of rounds of endless reverts. So please revert your edits to the last stable version and then proceed to try and reach consensus for the new changes on the talk page. Thanks.--Twofortnights (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi dears and let us start the discussion before wasting time. Only 3 days left to the end of the page protection and edit war will be taken place again.

user:Norvikk wrote the information below:

The main maps of the visa of articles (more than 200) do not contain any of the following categories: some regions, tourist groups and others. Visa map in the article on visa policy of Russia is secondary. It is made for a separate section of the article. The main Russian map does not contain this category. Your edits violate the compromise that was reached in previous edit wars. Previously, some users added different categories: tourist groups, the possibility of submitting visa application online. Now it is Visa free access, Visa on arrival, eVisa, Visa available both on arrival or online. All articles are decorated by the same rules, in the same style. Please be objective. Thanks.

My responses:

1: The main maps of the visa of articles (more than 200) do not contain any of the following categories: Well, in this case you are right. The maps in the Russian Visa Policy are narrow :✓ Done.
2: Now it is Visa free access, Visa on arrival, eVisa, Visa available both on arrival or online: Sorry but it is not true! Although now I agree with you to omit Access to Some Regions, whereas I am totally against your idea because there are 2 other categories as well which must be added: 1: Visa required - 2: Admission Refused.
Following the other problems:
1: Singapore is e-Visa so must be placed under e-Visa countries on both map and in the article.
2: Libya must be Admission Refused on the map as it is shown in the article.

@Twofortnights: Your word retaliation does not have a good conceptual reference! It has rather a negative aspect! Besides, there is NO new editor as you pointed me that offensive in Guanacos page. I am at Wikipedia-Wikimedia since 2009. How about you? Thanks Milad Mosapoor (talk) 14:54, 12 October 2017 (GMT)

Regarding the map issues my view is that adding a category of "Access to Some Regions" is something that indeed goes against 200 other maps and should not be used. Saying how it's not true and how "Access to Some Regions" is used in all other maps is something that can be checked rather quickly and the result is negative. Regarding Singapore, there is no eVisa facility for Singapore for Iranian citizens, at least according to the official sources. You can of course bring in new valid references if you wish to include it as eVisa on the map. Current references state that Iran is a Assessment Level II country which means its citizens must apply for a visa in advance. Regarding Libya, you are right, the references back up your claim that it is indeed a country where the admission is refused to nationals of Iran. As for the message to me, not sure what do you mean, the word "retaliation" and all, what are you referring to.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

user:Twofortnights: Thank you for your kind reply.
1: The Access to some Region is off and you are right as I mentioned above. We will omit it from both map and the article but only in the notes.
2: Singapore is really an e-Visa! You might have been misunderstood! There is NO statement which is referring the level II countries in which Iranians are included that are excluded from obtaining an e-Visa! Please check the link again. It is already written both level I and II countries are eligible for an e-Visa, however with a difference of time-issuing matter: https://www.singapore-visa.sg/
3: Thanks for Libya. Excellent! Milad Mosapoor (talk) 17:09, 12 October 2017 (GMT)

Thanks. Regarding Singapore, is there an official reference other than the iADVENTURE ESCAPE which seems to be a private firm. The thing is there could be a difference, there could be an eVisa for Cat. I and maybe electronic submission for Cat. II? Maybe not, maybe they are all eVisa eligible, but we should really have an official source. --Twofortnights (talk) 12:18, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

user:Twofortnights: Thanks for your kind reply.

As I searched extremely accurate, I found official websites claiming this is only an Electronic Submission visa for Cat. II, however the Cat. I can obtain an e-Visa. It is written on both the private and official Singaporean visa service websites --> https://www.singapore-visa.sg/ AND https://www.ica.gov.sg/visitor/visitor_entryvisa
So please inform us what should decide? I think Singapore must be removed from e-Visa on both map and the article and then set visa table as red which is visa required (not blue since it is not really an e-Visa) but should add it in the article's Notes about Electronic Submission. Milad Mosapoor (talk) 14:22, 13 October 2017 (GMT)

Thanks. It seems that Iranian citizens and other Cat. II citizens have to apply through the "Submission of Application for Visa Electronically" which means the paperwork is filed online, but it's not a typical eVisa but something similar to the visa process of Uzbekistan or Australia where process is somewhat simplified but nowhere near what exists for Turkey or Sri Lanka for example. I agree it should be in the notes but the visa category should be visa required in red.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

user:Twofortnights: Thanks again!

I appreciate your honourable contribution in this File Talk, hence please do the following steps expeditiously as soon as the article gets unprotected:
In article
  • 1: Make Singapore red as visa required and pointing in notes about its electronic ease
  • 2: Make Russia and Iraq red as visa required and pointing in notes about their voa (iraqi kurdistan) and e-visa (fareast russia).
  • 3: Remove VOA of some regions for Azerbaijan and just hold it as e-Visa pointing in the notes about its Nahcivan.
On map
  • 1: Make Singapore, Russia and Iraq grey
  • 2: Make Libya black as admission refused (it is accessible by my last map update so you can just easily remove singapore, russia and iraq and everything would be ready).
  • 3: Eliminate the Cat. Access to Some Regions
Please inform the other user user:Norvikk concerning our talks too since it seems he was unattended here. With big thanks Milad Mosapoor (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2017 (GMT)
Thank you Milad Mosapoor. I agree with proposed changes and will carry them out as soon as the article and map are unprotected.--Twofortnights (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Twofortnights again! Do you have any idea how to resolve the No Overwrite problem of the map file? --> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Visa_requirements_for_Iranian_citizens.png I already asked someone but did not help --> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections#File:Visa_requirements_for_Iranian_citizens.png thanks Milad Mosapoor (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2017 (GMT)

Hi. That file is locked for another few days.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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