File talk:Turkic people in Iran.jpg

  این نضشه رو چه احمقی درست کرده؟— Preceding unsigned comment added by SLFAW (talk • contribs) 22:52, 16 May 2012? (UTC)

Which means "What idiot made this!". Dougweller (talk) 17:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a VERY exaggerated map just made for pan-Turkist propaganda. It should have no place in an Encyclopaedia.--ماني (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Mape drawing based on relable source: " Alireza Sarrafi, Journal "Dilmaj", No. 2, 2004--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

That is nationalistic nonsense which does not belong to Wikipedia. Since when is Alireza Sarrafi who has no Western academic position a reliable source. He claims Sumerians as Turks. Majority of people in Bijar, Mahalat, Khomein, Arak, Hamadan (city), Qazvin (city)..do not speak Azeri. You know this for a fact and pushing such fringe map is nothing but ethno-fascism. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 04:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

THIS MAP IS A FAKED MAP AND COMPLETELY INCORRECT. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 37.254.129.113 (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2014‎ (UTC)

گویا بعضی دوستان آریایی بعداز دیدن حقایق این نقشه ناراحت و عصبانی شده‌اند و با توهین و فحاشی میخواهند فرهنگ دوهزاروپانصد ساله‌ی آریایی خودرا به نمایش بگذارند تا بار دگر جهانیان با فرهنگ ناب آریایی این دوستان آشنا شوند I'm really sorry for those who swear--Yakup.Yz (talk) 02:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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@Kaldari: Hello, please check the status of the file as well as the status of Orijentolog user! This user deletes resources and attacks other people's user page.--Frvuz (talk) 10:44, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

This user is an obvious sockpuppet of Mahammad tt. Only a day after he got blocked for the third time, he opened two new accounts (Yakup.Yz & Frvuz) and continued with the same disruptive behavior on the same files, expecting that it will pass unnoticed and that established users like me will have problems. Very cheap attempt. No, I won't engage in reverting disruptions any more, I reported sock puppetry so admins will do the rest. --Orijentolog (talk) 14:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: I have no connection with user Mahammad tt. But here I declare that Yakup.Yz user is my other account, which of course I no longer use and I do not intend to abuse it in any way. But your edits are completely against the rules of Wikipedia! If you continue this process like your English wiki, your account will probably be closed indefinitely.--Frvuz (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wrong, your edits are against the rules because I warned you that pan-Turkic pseudohistorical works as "source" do not make fantasy files more realistic, which you reverted two times [1][2], as well as here. Therefore, proper tags and categories will be restored. Your attempts to bring 12-year-old disputes from en.wiki and empty threats are laughable, I'm an editor with almost 500,000 contributions on all projects and I was never blocked on Commons. You were, we both know that, and furthermore you just admit your sock puppetry. --Orijentolog (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: But is User:Qahramani44 your other account?--Frvuz (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

No. --Orijentolog (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: It is your personal opinion that you know all the sources as Pan-Turkish. In my opinion, these sources are not pan-Turkish.--Frvuz (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Regarding this file, it's indeed a fantasy exaggerated map of Turkic-inhabited areas, falsely claiming "majority" contrary to all scholarly sources, therefore it must have proper tag and proper categories. "Sources" in infobox are only charlatans and political activists with zero credibility in the academic world. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Your opinion or my opinion does not matter here, only facts. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: So let the admins clarify the facts.--Frvuz (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I have no problem with it. But until then, we'll keep stable categories, not the ones which you desire. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Another point is that so far no statistics and census in Iran have been done based on ethnicity and language! So we can not say exactly which map is right and which is wrong. Therefore, the scientific sources you mentioned are not very reliable.--Frvuz (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Laughable claim. There are many realistic linguistic maps on Commons, as well as in academic literature. For example this map is very reliable. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Frvuz: More importantly than your shilling of a fantasy map is both your disgusting sarcastic ethnic insults on talk pages [3] and your threats to sue other users [4], which are blatantly against Wikipedia rules and deserve a permanent ban on that basis alone. --Qahramani44 (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: Unfortunately, there are no official and accurate statistics on the ethnic population in Iran, and in the available unofficial statistics, the number of Turks in Iran has always been less than the actual number. Incidentally, this map also has problems! If you (look at the file talk) there, you will notice the problems of that map.--Frvuz (talk) 12:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Yet another laughable claim. On the contrary, someone can also say "unfortunately, number of Turks has always been more than the actual number." Someone may also claim that there are 100 million Germans in the USA and government is trying to hide real numbers. In fact, no one in Iran or the US identify as "Turk" or "German" but only as Iranian and American. Real numbers are unknown in both cases because of lack of the etnolinguistic origin identification and intermarriages, because no one care about it. Only places where they do care about it are countries like Turkey and post-Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan, where bizarre 19th/20th-century European-made etnolinguistic ideologies are popular. The biggest irony in the whole story is that in 1940s "German" Americans and Germanic British led by ethnic German dynasty defeated that "proud pan-Germans" from Germany, as well as "Turkic" Iranians laughed when wannabe-Turkic empire Republic of Azerbaijan was defeated by tiny Artsakh in 90s. That's the reality. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

@Qahramani44: First of all, threatening to sue is not against the rules of Wikipedia! Secondly, do you think (this) and (this) are not disgusting ?! Or if the Turks are insulted, do you think there is no problem? Thirdly, this map is a fantasy for you, but it is official for several political groups and they are looking for it.--Frvuz (talk) 12:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, threatening to sue is in fact blatantly against Wikipedia rules [5], maybe try reading Wikipedia rules before making multiple accounts and posting. And as for that random ip's post, that puts you on the same low level as him and therefore both of you should be blocked/banned. I don't care about "several political groups" the Nazis had the same idea of taking other countrys lands for nationalism and the same type of racism and they were rightfully destroyed for it. --Qahramani44 (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

It's a fantasy for all the civilized world, as well as other similar ideologies. The Fascists had fantasies of New Roman Empire, but unlike pan-Turkic virtual map-makers, at least they fought for it. And were defeated, like pan-Turkic politicians in the 90s against tiny Artsakh. Today, Italy and Azerbaijan are serious and respectable countries, while once popular failed ideologies are supported today by few bigots, and therefore considered as fantasies. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

P.S. Wikipedia has a biography of en:Mahmudali Chehregani, a charlatan and racist who calls Persians as "dogs" and threatens Kurds with ethnic cleansing, expelled from both Iran and Republic of Azerbaijan, but cited by Frvuz in file's infobox as "credible source" for map's reliability. Enough said. --Orijentolog (talk) 23:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you are wrong and you are marginalizing the discussion. I am no longer interested in these marginal discussions. I hope that from now on, the admins will manage this discussion and make the right decision in this regard.--Frvuz (talk) 10:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not "wrong" because you can not prove it, you can only continue with baseless accusations and manipulations. You tried to promote racist charlatans and you're not even ashamed of it. FYI, I'm cooperating on Commons with several admins (Western Asian art topics) but still I did not invite any of them here, so if you think you'll manipulate one admin who hasn't deeper knowledge about this topic, in order to achieve your desirable results, you're very wrong. --Orijentolog (talk) 18:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)