File talk:Sign of the Deathly Hallows.svg

 

Not licensed

As I understand it this work is rendered from a description in a J K Rowling novel. That makes it a derived work. The person who rendered it does not hold the copyright to the image and cannot license it. --Tony Sidaway 16:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

While the symbol was taken from the book, I personally believe that it is too simple/obvious to qualify for copyright protection. IANAL, but this is my rationale for marking the image {{PD-ineligible}}. --bdesham ★ 22:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit conflict] It's unlikely that four lines and a circle meet the threshold of originality. Regardless, don't just remove the licensing tag. If you think it's copyrighted, nominate it for deletion rather than making a mess of the copyright status. ShadowHalo 22:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it does, so it is gone now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, what the hell? Since when was it acceptable to speedy delete an image when there was ongoing discussion about its copyright status? And as far as I know, simple geometric shapes are not eligible for copyright protection. If you thought the image should have been deleted, the appropriate thing to do would have been to list a deletion request; it's not hard. ShadowHalo 17:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a derivative work of a copyrighted item from a book just released a few days ago. Those are not allowed on the Commons. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

undeletion request

See Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#Please_undelete_Image:Sign_of_the_Deathly_Hallows.svg ... probably appropriate to discuss there, and summarise back here if needed. ++Lar: t/c 23:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

There is unamonious support for undeletion there (6-0 right now) , so I've undeleted it. I'm not sure whether the disputed tag should remain though. / Fred J 16:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed {{Disputed}}, it's pointless with this image. Samulili 16:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

it is the wrong image anyhow

the real thing as described on page 322 looks like the image at right: a straight vertical line, a circle on top of the line (not over the line), a triangle enclosing both circle and line. --Wuselig 00:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The symbol is drawn on the spine of the UK edition and in the U.S. edition, and is consistent with the image I have drawn. See en:Image:DeathlyHallowsSymbol.jpg. --bdesham ★ 02:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Who says they got it right? With all the secrecy concerning the publication of the book, I doubt they have read the relevant passages. They drew by word of mouth. The only thing that has me doubting also is the reference to Albus Dumbledore using it in his signature to replace the A in Albus. Can anybody give a page reference for this?--Wuselig 08:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Transfer of Discussion from here

The symbol

The symbol of the Deathly Hallows is not described in the book as having a

"vertical line inside the triangle, going from the upper angle down through the circle."

Actually, the narrator describes it at first as an odd triangular eye (Chapter 8), then it adds that the pupil is crossed with a vertical line (Chapter 16). When Xenophilius Lovegood draws it (Chapter 21), he begins with a vertical line, then adds a circle on top of it.
The symbol, as presented in the page, resembles more the illustration by Jason Cockcroft on the side of the book than any written description. I believe the vertical line in the symbol should just be a diameter of the circle.

I agree with the idea. 私も「I believe the vertical line in the symbol should just be a diameter of the circle.」という意見に賛成です(本の背表紙のイラストとは異なりますが…)。 このほうが「三角形の目のよう(like an odd triangular eye )」、「縦の直線が虹彩にあたる部分と交差していた(the pupil is crossed with a vertical line)」という記述に添うとおもいます。

Zio Illy --83.103.90.56 23:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Not sure about that- I don't have my book handy. However, does the book say it's an equilateral triangle? The article intro says so, and the depictions all seem to show it as equilateral, but is this ever explicitly stated? -Phi*n!x 22:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Here it is - "The Elder Wand," he said, and drew a straight vertical line upon the parchment. "The Resurrection Stone," he said, and added a circle on top of the line. "The Cloak of Invisibility," he finished, enclosing both line and circle in a triangle, to make the symbols that so intrigued Hermione. "Together," he said, "the Deathly Hallows." Reinn 02:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That's weird, there are two description in the book. In chapter 8: he wore a cap whose tassel dangled in front of his nose and robes of an eye-watering shade of egg-yolk yellow. An odd symbol, rather like a triangular eye, glistened from a golden chain around his neck. - It seemed incredibly unlikely that Luna’s father was a supporter of the Dark Arts, and nobody else in the tent seemed to have recognized the triangular, finlike shape. If "Eye" means that the circle is as big as the triangle, then what happened to the "circle on top" of the line then...? Reinn 03:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)