File talk:Rawadids shaddadids nakhchivan.png

Достоверность карты

Источники "карты" 3 азербайджанский сайта. Карта якобы иллюстрирует XI век. Вопрос. Зачем на нем нет Сюникского царства, где Двинский, Гохтнский эмираты и Анийское царство?--Taron Saharyan (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Про Ташир-Дзорагетское царство естественно в НАН Азербайджана и речи нет.--Taron Saharyan (talk) 18:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I see what is your viewpoint now: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/45/20170129183353%21Rawadids_shaddadids_nakhchivan.png However, your map version is unsourced. So, please provide sources for you map and also upload it under different filename, not over this file, per Wikimedia Commons policy. PANONIAN (talk) 18:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Источники, притом западные, я привел ниже описания файла. Надеюсь для вас они более надежны нежели азербайджанские рисунки без Армении.--Taron Saharyan (talk) 18:41, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, this is not how Wikimedia Commons works. Since I see that you do not have a slightest wish to respect Wikimedia Commons policy and to upload your file under different filename if uploader do not agree with your changes, I uploaded my original map version under different filename. So, now there are two files and we will present to editors of each Wikipedia which one will they use. PANONIAN (talk) 18:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Я уважаю Википедию и его читателей и опираюсь на нейтральные научные ссылки а не на националистические сайты третьего класса из гугл картинки. Пожалуйста WP:GF, может с технического точки зрения я что-то не так сделал, но зато я даю достоверную информацию. Мои карты изданы в Чикагском университете а не картинки каких-то армянофобов и фанатиков, так что по поводу кто чего уважает, не спешите делать выводы. Спасибо за понимание.--Taron Saharyan (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I am sure that Azeris will claim that they are backed by "neutral scientific links" and that your viewpoint comes from "nationalist sites". This is, however, off the topic. The problem is that you destroying here my good faith work because of your political motives, which is against everything for what wikipedia stands for. Do you sincerelly think that borders from the 12th century can determine borders of countries in the 21st century? That is so ridiculous concept and yet, nationalists from all over the Worlds are adherents of this concept. Back to references: all your references listed here originating in Wikipedia and WIKIPEDIA CONTENT IS NOT AND CANNOT BE REFERENCE for other content posted in Wikipedia. Sincerelly speaking: your map version is a ridiculous Frankenstein. You used as a base sourced content from Azeri sources then mixed it with work of some users in Wikipedia or Wikimedia and result is a map of very disputed accuracy. I do not have problem to use Armenian sources, but what you used here are not sources at all - it is just user-created content in Wikipedia. Furthermore, my original map was never about Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (since I presume that it is the issue here). It was illustration of the history of Azeri and Kurdish statehood and have nothing to do with Armenian-Azeri conflict of today. Finally, I also made neutral version of this map, since I see that you do not object to borders of the Rawadid state in your map version. PANONIAN (talk) 21:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Problem with references

Now, I examined your references which seems to be originating from www.armenica.org, but your references are not supporting info which you added to your map version. This map do not depict borders of principalities of Khachen and Dizak in the way you depicted them in your map version: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Shaddadid.gif So, do you have proper references which depicting these borders in that way or you just invented these borders by yourself? That would be a violation of Wikipedia policy against original research of users. PANONIAN (talk) 06:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)