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Why is Kengtung included as part of Siam?[edit]
In the Burmese Siamese War (1765-67) article, it mentions that the Siamese failed to take Kengtung. I also read that in Wyatt's book, in which states that the Siamese only seized captives from the region, never establishing a tributary. The Burmese also have quite reliable historical sources and that's where I assume that information was retrieved in 1765-67 article. So remove Kengtung? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- See here. --Milenioscuro (talk) 15:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Milenioscuro From what I've read, Wyatt mentions only slave raids, or the depopulation of the region, not vassalization. I personally assume the map to be some kind of error in his book. Neither Baker and Phongpaichit in "A History of Thailand" nor WAR Wood's "History of Siam" ever mention Siam vassalizing Kengtung during this period either. You can find Wood's book on Internet Archive. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
By 1802, he raided Keng Tung and carried off many families for resettlement farther south. (Wyatt 138)
- Milenioscuro From what I've read, Wyatt mentions only slave raids, or the depopulation of the region, not vassalization. I personally assume the map to be some kind of error in his book. Neither Baker and Phongpaichit in "A History of Thailand" nor WAR Wood's "History of Siam" ever mention Siam vassalizing Kengtung during this period either. You can find Wood's book on Internet Archive. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 03:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- The book "The Emergence of Modern Southeast Asia: A New History" (pg. 101) also says the same (of whom Wyatt is also involved in the book) https://books.google.com/books?id=h5kBEAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Kengtung border shown here is from WWII[edit]
The Kengtung border as shown here is from WWII, when Thailand acquired Kengtung with the aid of the Japanese, so even if this was correct, the borders are anachronistic. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
