File talk:Israel Collective Punishment by Latuff2.jpg

  Bigots like Latuff are always quick to play the Nazi card... AnonMoos 18:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Comparing actions with Hitler and/or nazi-Germany is standard stuff. // Liftarn

Standard for some... AnonMoos 19:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

For many. If you want to point out that someone is evil and/or totalitarian you compare them with Hitler and/or nazi-Germany. Sometimes it gets silly like when Church of Scientology accusted the German government for being like the nazis because they was against CoS. The reason they was against CoS was ofcourse that they knew what totalitarian organisations with ambitions of world domination can do. // Liftarn

Polls on categorization

I would like to propose two different polls to sound the opinion of people on the categorization of this image, in the light of COM:CAT. Categorizing Latuff's cartoons has been the source of countless dramas, and some victims, and it is time to reach a consensus and take a reasonable decision. With these polls I'm addressing two different categories: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism. Please feel free to add others. The questions will be in the form: Do you think that Category: Xxx is adequate for classifying this image?. Please give your opinion using the  Support and  Oppose templates, and keep your comments short. Long comments belong to the discussion sections above. Pertinent sources to the three concepts are w:Anti-Semitism and w:Anti-Zionism Alvesgaspar (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism

 Question -- Do you think that Category: Anti-Semitism is adequate for classifying this image?

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•  Oppose as objection to collective punishment is not the same thing as antisemitism. // Liftarn (talk)
  • However, a dyed-in-the wool hatemongering bigot like Latuff will always manage to bring in some touch of his bigoted hatemongering into whatever he does... AnonMoos (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Zionism

 Question -- Do you think that Category: Anti-Zionism is adequate for classifying this image?

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•  Oppose as it only objects to the specific practice of collective punishment, not the the state as such. // Liftarn (talk)
  • However, there is nothing that Israel could do and no policies that it would adopt which would ever change the bigoted hatemonger Latuff's desire to see Israel be destroyed bloodily by means of force and violence... AnonMoos (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
•  Support -- Because the cartoon illustrates opposition to the policies or behaviour of the state of Israel ([1]) -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
•  Support I couldn't say that this cartoon is anti-Semitic in the sense of displaying blatant and overt anti-Jewish stereotypes, so this is the most appropriate category. However, it is obviously the case that the bigoted hatemonger Latuff brought in Nazi references for the specific purpose of taunting Jews and mocking their historical sufferings... AnonMoos (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

War Crimes

 Question -- Do you think that Category:War crimes is adequate for classifying this image?

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•  Support as collective punishment is a war crime. // Liftarn (talk)
  • That's nice -- the bigoted hatemonger Latuff is in favor of war crimes committed against Jews, and opposed to war crimes committed by Jews. There are many things you could call such a position, but you can't call it supporting human rights in general, or displaying a universalist Kantian ethics (of course putting "ethics" and "Latuff" in the same sentence is bound to lead to a contradiction). AnonMoos (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Antisemitic pictures

This image should be categorised under Category:Antisemitic pictures because it uses a Holocaust reference (Gas Chambers) to insinuate Israel's supposed policy of genocide. The European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights declared in its Working Definition of Antisemitism that it is considered Anti-semitic to "draw comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis". Chesdovi (talk) 12:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't see any anti-semitism here, just criticism of israel. The latter is valid, categorizing this as anti-semitic image is an epic fail. There's no comparison of israel policy to that of nazi germany. It may be different if this cartoon would have an israel politician or soldier stating gas chambers would be next. --Denniss (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

As to whether this cartoon qualifies as an anti-Semitic portrayal, I am afraid "Gas Chambers?" clinches it. Gas Chambers were an apparatus used uniquely and extensively during the Holocaust years, and to a great extent for the mass killing of Jews. If the bubble had read "H-Bomb?" or "Kamikaze attacks?", the comparison to the Nazi genocide of European Jews would not have been made. It is very clever to use metaphors linking the actions of a current aggressor to those he himself fell victim to by his own enemy, but doing so in the context of Israel/Nazi-Germany has been deemed anti-Semitic (for whatever reason) by reputable organisation. Chesdovi (talk) 13:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)