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Misidentification[edit]
This is definitely not Castner Glacier. per Google Earth. Ron Clausen (talk) 04:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ron Clausen - are you being serious? I shot that photograph on location - at ground level (the mile marker may be wrong but that's the correct glacier) so trying to compare my photograph to a satellite snapshot image using Google Earth, not to mention having the camera at the exact spot I stood, is quite a stretch. That photo is indeed a shot of Castner Glacier. You do realize that Castner Glacier is a valley glacier that covers a 32 sq mi area in the Delta Mountains. It is a mile wide, and approx 13 miles long so where did you focus the Google satellite? For you to say my photo is "definitely not Castner Glacier" is ridiculous at best. Atsme Talk 📧 16:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Use Google Earth 3D. The Castner Glacier is dirt-covered brown, not white at the lower elevations. There is no glacier ice flowing down from the left foreground as is shown in your photo. There is no reddish-orange outcrop at the bottom of the glacier. And most telling, there are no photos elsewhere of Castner Glacier that look anything like this photo. Ron Clausen (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- That photo was taken in
2015, nearly2013, over a decade ago.Correction 21:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC) I was on foot. Don't you think I know where I was when I shot that photo? I do this professionally, for Pete's sake. Atsme Talk 📧 22:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)- The file states it was taken "Date 3 August 2013" not 2015, so you must be confused. It is a beautiful photo, and I am interested in knowing the identification, but it isn't Castner Glacier. Ron Clausen (talk) 02:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mystery solved - this is positively identified as the Gulkana Glacier. Camera pointed north. Shot from coordinatesː N 63.20170, W -145.50435. Recommend you change the title and advise people who have used this image on Wikipedia articles. Ron Clausen (talk) 03:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- That photo was taken in
- Use Google Earth 3D. The Castner Glacier is dirt-covered brown, not white at the lower elevations. There is no glacier ice flowing down from the left foreground as is shown in your photo. There is no reddish-orange outcrop at the bottom of the glacier. And most telling, there are no photos elsewhere of Castner Glacier that look anything like this photo. Ron Clausen (talk) 21:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- "Mystery solved" where? Do you have a link where it "positively" identifies the scene as the Gulkana Glacier? I'm doing my homework, too, Ron and taking your challenge seriously. I just emailed Jasmine Alley who travels and publishes a travel blog, and asked if she had anything to help verify the location. It just doesn't make sense to me that a group of us, which included a couple who resides in Salcha, would have headed out in a RV headed down Richardson Hwy on a fishing trip to Valdez, and then drive 20 miles out of the way to shoot the smaller Gulkana Glacier which doesn't have the beautiful ice caves, etc., not to mention the long hike in. I'm no hiker, and neither are any of the others. They confirmed that it was Castner, but I want to be positive sure now that the location has been challenged. Castner was an easy shoot. I also see that the photograph of File:Gulkana_Glacier,_Alaska,_view_from_PEWE_post,_August_2013.jpg on Commons looks very much like the photo I shot, and ironically, that one was shot in the same month, same year, a few days apart from mine; talk about coincidence. Anyway, I'm looking through all my photos for other photos I shot at the same time, including my cell phone images which will have the coordinates. I also came pretty close to matching up the Castner terrain from the angle of the hwy using Google Earth Pro but the perspective is off, and mountains behind the road tend to get in the way as move lower. Trying to match the the exact spot I stood in to take the shot is a mixed bag of tricks. Atsme Talk 📧 21:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Go to Flickr.com and search Gulkana Glacier. You will find numerous examples that were shot from the same location that you shot from. Ron Clausen (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Various views of Gulkana Glacier viewed from same location as yoursː
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- Gulkana Glacier Ron Clausen (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Let's not edit war over the mile marker. Gulkana parking & scenic view is at mile 197.6 not 20 miles down the road near the Castner ice cave trailhead. This site has an image of Gulkana that you can see from Richardson Hwy, and it has a lake in front of it. Castner Glacier is neither mentioned, nor is it on the list. I would be more inclined to relent if I could see the actual GPS coordinates in the metadata of a photo. Look at the bottom of the 4th link you added, and you'll see a fine line of the water through the trees. There is no lake near the Castner Glacier image, or the others believed to be Gulkana Glacier. The photog of the last Flick'r link you added stated, "I could be mistaken, this could be Canwell Glacier, also in this general area." In summary, none of this is conclusive evidence; however, page 9 of this USGS pub has an aerial image that comes close when considering the patterns of erosion. Either way, I think this can wait until I can gain access to my SD card/iPhone images, or if one of my Alaskan friends calls and tells they mistakenly told me that was Castner Glacier. There simply were no signs where they pulled over so I could take the photograph, at least nothing that I could see that provided a verifiable id of the location. Just be patient. If we have to make a correction, it is better to do it with verifiable information to back it up. Atsme Talk 📧 05:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Summit Lake, shown in your link from farther away south, was behind you and the other photographers from my links. Just to clarify, there are hundreds of Gulkana Glacier photos on the web that are like yours, and zero photos of Castner Glacier like yours, but you need more proof? Good grief. Ron Clausen (talk) 08:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I tend to agree with @Ron Clausen on this one, after looking at Google street view, there is no way you catch something a like for Castner Glacier, but it really looks like Gulkana Glacier taken from the parking a bit north of Summit Lake. --PierreSelim (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Summit Lake, shown in your link from farther away south, was behind you and the other photographers from my links. Just to clarify, there are hundreds of Gulkana Glacier photos on the web that are like yours, and zero photos of Castner Glacier like yours, but you need more proof? Good grief. Ron Clausen (talk) 08:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Let's not edit war over the mile marker. Gulkana parking & scenic view is at mile 197.6 not 20 miles down the road near the Castner ice cave trailhead. This site has an image of Gulkana that you can see from Richardson Hwy, and it has a lake in front of it. Castner Glacier is neither mentioned, nor is it on the list. I would be more inclined to relent if I could see the actual GPS coordinates in the metadata of a photo. Look at the bottom of the 4th link you added, and you'll see a fine line of the water through the trees. There is no lake near the Castner Glacier image, or the others believed to be Gulkana Glacier. The photog of the last Flick'r link you added stated, "I could be mistaken, this could be Canwell Glacier, also in this general area." In summary, none of this is conclusive evidence; however, page 9 of this USGS pub has an aerial image that comes close when considering the patterns of erosion. Either way, I think this can wait until I can gain access to my SD card/iPhone images, or if one of my Alaskan friends calls and tells they mistakenly told me that was Castner Glacier. There simply were no signs where they pulled over so I could take the photograph, at least nothing that I could see that provided a verifiable id of the location. Just be patient. If we have to make a correction, it is better to do it with verifiable information to back it up. Atsme Talk 📧 05:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Go to Flickr.com and search Gulkana Glacier. You will find numerous examples that were shot from the same location that you shot from. Ron Clausen (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- "Mystery solved" where? Do you have a link where it "positively" identifies the scene as the Gulkana Glacier? I'm doing my homework, too, Ron and taking your challenge seriously. I just emailed Jasmine Alley who travels and publishes a travel blog, and asked if she had anything to help verify the location. It just doesn't make sense to me that a group of us, which included a couple who resides in Salcha, would have headed out in a RV headed down Richardson Hwy on a fishing trip to Valdez, and then drive 20 miles out of the way to shoot the smaller Gulkana Glacier which doesn't have the beautiful ice caves, etc., not to mention the long hike in. I'm no hiker, and neither are any of the others. They confirmed that it was Castner, but I want to be positive sure now that the location has been challenged. Castner was an easy shoot. I also see that the photograph of File:Gulkana_Glacier,_Alaska,_view_from_PEWE_post,_August_2013.jpg on Commons looks very much like the photo I shot, and ironically, that one was shot in the same month, same year, a few days apart from mine; talk about coincidence. Anyway, I'm looking through all my photos for other photos I shot at the same time, including my cell phone images which will have the coordinates. I also came pretty close to matching up the Castner terrain from the angle of the hwy using Google Earth Pro but the perspective is off, and mountains behind the road tend to get in the way as move lower. Trying to match the the exact spot I stood in to take the shot is a mixed bag of tricks. Atsme Talk 📧 21:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I was unaware of this move and responded to PierreSelim at File_talk:Castner_Glacier.jpg. Also, I reported this incident to Yann. I do not think it was appropriate for my image to have been moved before I had the opportunity to properly verify the information, especially considering the image is a long standing one, and the evidence provided by Ron has a few holes in it as I pointed out in this discussion. Again, if I was misinformed about the name of the glacier, I feel that it is my obligation to notify the people who made use of it, and will take the proper steps necessary to make things right. I do not appreciate being bullied or forced into doing something I believe is inappropriate, especially before I have all the verifiable facts in place. Atsme Talk 📧 21:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
