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Accuracy

I am sorry to say so but this map is bullshit, there were no clear iraqi claims like that. Clear Iraqi claims you found only in the Khuzestan and the Kuwait case. Syria and Palestine were not part of a claimed "Greater Iraq" (Did you try to create this fiction term analog to the existing term Greater Syria?), these Arab lands were part of the panarab baathist view of a united Arab fatherland (al-watan). And the idea of an united arab fatherland did include all arab states between Morocco and Oman. You would have to add Egypt what was a few times part of such unification projects which involved Iraq, and, by the way, do not forget the Sandjak of Alexandrette (Iskendurum). Such bullshit happens when you use Israeli sources only for describe an Arab ideology! --Roxanna (talk) 14:16, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, if you really see any clear Iraqi claims, then also south of the border. Until 1922 pre-Baath Iraq did claim al-Jouf and Hail in today´s Northern Saudi-Arabia and in 1990 Iraq offered Yemen and Jordan to partionate Saudi-Arabia so that Iraq would win al-Hasa. --Roxanna (talk) 20:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

So the first thing you say is to call this "bullshit" and accusing me of creating a "fiction" - assuming bad faith on my part and in complete violation of . The so-called "bullshit" source is from a source supported by the Jewish-Arab Institute, and the testimony was not by an Israeli, but by a Jewish Iraqi. If your sole reason for opposing this is because of some xenophobic suspicion of any sources from Israel based on a stereotype that all Israeli authors are unreliable about the politics of the Middle East, that is an irresponsible and unreasonable rebuke. What you should do, is tell me what is specifically wrong about the source, if you believe the testimony of the Jewish Iraqi is lying than present evidence that demonstrates that what that person says is a lie. I have provided an Iraqi government propaganda billboard that shows Saddam Hussein's intention to conquer Jerusalem - it portrays him standing with an Iraqi flag in Jerusalem beside historic Iraqi leaders Saladin and Nebuchadnezzar who both conquered Jerusalem, watching over ancient Bablyonian chariot followed by Muslim Crusade-era horsemen entering the gates of Jerusalem, while modern-day soldiers celebrate in the foreground. It is known that Saddam Hussein openly admired Saladin and Nebuchadnezzar because they were Iraqis who captured Jerusalem.--R-41 (talk) 03:06, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

In the case of Syria, Iraqi governments have supported the annexation of Syria into Iraq since the 1940s.--R-41 (talk) 03:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I wrote you that I am sorry to call it "bullshit", however, it is and I clearly wrote why it is. So what do you want to tell me? That you can write an article about Iraq based on Iraqi Jewish sources only? You must be joking! For example, have you ever read Sluglett about Iraq? This is minimum standard! I better do not risk to ask you if you ever read any official Bath Party Congress or Conference report. What elso do you want to say? That you have clear objective evidences and sources about the mentioned Iraqi claims? More than just some admiring and general and vague propaganda rhetoric never written down or officially drawn in any map? You do not have! Does any iraqi foreign minister ever signed a memorandum like that? never! Finally: You are wrong in the Syrian case, too. The attemps in the 1940s made by Nuri as-Said as well as by King Abdullah of Jordan and some Syrian Military dictators did not not intend to annex Syria in a Greater Iraq, they were attemps to unite the countries in a Greater Syria or an Arab Union. --Roxanna (talk) 18:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Finally, however, I have to point out that I know to appreciate you created a map at all. A correct map would be a nice and useful illustration. You could rename it and call it "Zone of attempted influence and areas touched by Iraqi Baathist policy" or something like that. Or you create a map of all former Iraqi Unification Projects with Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Kuwait - for example, analog to the Libyan attempts. --Roxanna (talk) 18:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)