File talk:Flag of France (1794–1815, 1830–1974).svg

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Renaming discussion

I don't understant where we can talk about the renaming proposition. Actually, I think the most important is to set c:File:Flag_of_France.svg with the value of this file, as i already said in the discussion of Flag of France, and to delete this file after. I think it's the good way cause we have to keep all dicussions about what is the french flag in one discussion, and to keep file informations, like description's translations. It's the easier way. See you in the dicussion page of "Flag of France". --Harmonizator (talk) 12:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Colours

The colours used here don't match the description. An analysis in Paint resulted in the following hues: bleu (0 33 83), blanc (255 255 255), rouge (207 8 33). --2001:16B8:31DC:7100:6915:7088:A544:D51A 03:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion or redirection of this file

This file should be stop to be used and deleted, or redirected to c:File:Flag of France.svg, the historical file with all discussions.
All precisions and explanations are given in the Flag of France discussion.
Please do not answer here, but in this discussion. --Harmonizator (talk) 16:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Pantone colors are not official but are just an interpretation. SHOM's file RGB values should be used.

Hi Kamran.nef.
The Pantone colors in the Album des pavillons nationaux are not official. As seen in the file, they are given approximately. Actually, as you can see in the FOTW site, this approximations are just a personnal translation, by the author of the Album, of the AFNOR standard NF X08-002 colors, used since the end of the XXth century and visible in the NORDEF 0001 Couleurs de la défense nationale (p.105) of the french armies. This Pantones are not official, and actually you can find others like Pantone 281 for the blue given by this flags manufacturer.
Also, the AFNOR colors are just the one in used in army for painting and dyeing, and are not set in any official text. Officialy it's just "bleu, blanc et rouge".
AFNOR or personnal Pantone traduction, all of this are not for RGB rendering. The only official digital document which defines the flag of the France is the numeric edtion of the Album des pavillons nationaux from the SHOM. So I think it's the values we have to chose. --Harmonizator (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I see. But if you want to use your version you should make sure that Wikipedia for France also uses it. because currently it uses this version. Kamran.nef (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

? I don't understand what you mean by Wikipedia for France. And what does it deal with the colors of this file? --Harmonizator (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page for France does not use File:Flag of France (1794–1815, 1830–1974, 2020–present).svg but rather uses this file which has the same colors as the one I mentioned above. Kamran.nef (talk) 15:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, you talk about the english WP for the article France. I know they use another file, but again, what does it deal with the colors of this file? I can tell you that the french wikipedia and others use this file, but again, it is not the subject. I am just talking about the color of this file. So if you are agree with me, we can restore the SHOM file values. --Harmonizator (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it is relevant to restore the SHOM file values. This would just create another variant of the flag and make the situation even messier as many other historical and regional variants use the colours of the current flag. And the colours of the current flag are very similar to SHOM values anyway.Le Braddock (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Le Braddock, I see you went over to the dark side of the flag...

First, it seems that there is still a lot of this other flags which does'nt match, so I don't really see the difference. And specially if as you said, the colours of the current flag are very similar to SHOM values, so the using of them is not a problem. But I'm completely agree to not use them until more people are agree.
But if we don't use this values, we have to use the SHOM Pantone approximation. And specially not this values whitout any source that you just restored Kamran.nef. The only source is the SHOM Album. We can use the Panton given approximatively, or we can use the colors used in the digital version. But I cannot be agree with subjectives choices specially without a source.
But the most important is that the colors of the file used on the English Wikipedia page of France are completely irrelevant to choose the colors of this file ! We use this file in the french Wikipedia, and the crazy things that the english wikipedia does (with their own file?!?) doesn't have to change anything to the colors of this file ! As Mr.Bitton told us on the other talk page, it's not the way Commons works. And I understand that now. You have to do the same.
I still think that the direct values of the numeric edition of the SHOM publication are the best source we have for an RGB rendering. But I can be agree for the Pantones common translations (of the previous version of Kamran), even if I insist that this Pantones are given approximately, it's in the text. --Harmonizator (talk) 07:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)