File talk:Emblem of Iran.svg

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Please upload a copy of the geometrically correct File:Emblem of Iran (red).svg here, with fill="#da0000" replaced by fill="#000" in the SVG code to make the emblem black instead of red. SiBr₄ (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

There's one very obvious difference, and Fry1989 apparently agreed with something in the direction of the black SVG as created by Zscout370. To overrule these users please bring a Fatwa signed by an Ayatollah in blood matching the colour of the red SVG for your modification. –Be..anyone (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Um, I'm just here because I got pinged, but no need to be rude. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

This standard by ISIRI includes a compass-and-straightedge construction of the emblem and the flag. FotW has an English translation (since I don't speak Persian I can't check its accurateness). I already changed File:Flag of Iran.svg and uploaded File:Flag of Iran (official).svg using a script-generated version based on ISIRI's construction.

@Be..anyone: If I correctly understand your post, you are understanding my post to be a request to change the color of the emblem. The request, however, is to replace this file with a black version of the emblem at File:Emblem of Iran (red).svg. SiBr₄ (talk) 19:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I got your idea, and apparently "nobody" here insists on the older shape—I'm carefully avoiding the not-{{Ping}} now. If you are confident that your shape is correct and won't upset folks, it certainly looks good. –Be..anyone (talk) 19:56, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

What is the "very obvious difference" then? (Of course they are not identical, but few differences are visible without blinking.) SiBr₄ (talk) 20:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

At the bottom right in the middle, it's a V in one version (one corner) and a stub arrow in the other version (three corners). Sorry my worst case of DEnglish for years, I could try ASCII art or google translate, but maybe it's already clear. –Be..anyone (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It is; I wouldn't be able to word it less bad though. The version with "arrow" conforms to the ISIRI construction, as evident from the images on the linked website. SiBr₄ (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

 Support, intentionally correct here => incorrect black version has to be fixed as suggested. –Be..anyone (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

 Support - it looks like the central lam/sword should really protrude as requested above. Storkk (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

 Comment if fulfilled, File:Naval_Jack_of_Iran.svg should probably also be done. Storkk (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done Awesome! Thank you! Steinsplitter (talk) 11:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I already updated the naval jack. SiBr₄ (talk) 11:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The ISIRI version does not have such a protruding point in the central "lam". All official variants have the previously used "stub", check on official Iranian websites, photos of the actual Iranian flag (used in interviews, speeches, etc.). Please look into this. It does not look right, for lack of a better word. Only the FotW translation page has an image with such a protrusion. With peace and all due respect. Negahbaan (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Since FotW's construction does result in the protrusion, that would mean that either FotW's construction is inconsistent with ISIRI's, or that flag manufacturers don't exactly follow the ISIRI specification. I think it's the latter, since the highest-resolution image of the emblem on the ISIRI page does kind of clearly have the protrusion.

Would you mind giving some links to official images that don't have it? I can't find any on which the bottom of the emblem is clearly visible, though I'm having trouble browsing the official websites at all, even with Chrome's translation plugin for the Persian-language ones. SiBr₄ (talk) 21:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your response, SiBr4. I agree with your latter statement as well. I am sure you can tell that ISIRI standard is quite dated. Here is just one example of the flag on the official website of the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran Click here for direct image link. This is the same flag used in official speeches and interviews. On Google images, look up "Hassan Rouhani Interview CNN" for another example. Click here for the flag of Iran on display at the United Nations building in New York City. Please let me know if anything else is needed. I only wish to help keep things accurate with things associated with Iran. Negahbaan (talk) 06:38, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, if you zoom in on the emblem present on, for example, on the Iranian Embassy - London website (located in top-left corner), although quite blurry, there is no distinct protrusion of any sort (check other Iran Embassy websites as well, I checked China, England, and Germany). Here is a picture of Marzieh Afkham, spokeswoman for Iran Foreign Affairs Ministry. Note both the flag and the emblem on the podium. Negahbaan (talk) 06:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Bear in mind that the protrusion is very small in relation to the whole flag (the length of the near-vertical edges between the triangle-shaped tip and the intersections with the crescents is only 1.6% of the height of the emblem, or <0.4% of the flag height). The current version of File:Flag of Iran.svg includes the protrusion; yet it is invisible if the flag is viewed at a resolution of 250px height (like here) or less, even when zooming in:

The emblems on both the London embassy's webpage and Marzieh Afkham's lectern are smaller than the emblem on the flag image here. The flag photographs are of sufficient resolution for the protrusion to be visible if they had it, though each of the three physical flags is nonconforming in some additional respects. For example, the width of the white lines nearest the white stripe and their distance from the takbirs (both of which should be the same as the width of the lines within each takbir) look too large in both Afkham's and the President's flags, and the takbirs touch the vertical edges of the flag at the UN headquarters. SiBr₄ (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose you are right. It just looks very odd, seeing it at high resolution. The largeness of the Takbirs on the officials' flags could be due to embroidering (I could be wrong). Take care. Negahbaan (talk) 17:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, because look here, this flag, from what I can see, is completely conforming to the standard. I have been spending all day looking at high resolution images trying to find the image of the emblem by itself (for example, depicted on government buildings) so I could show you whether or not a protrusion such as the one in use on Wikimedia Commons exists. I'll keep searching. I just might have to get a friend back home to go snap a couple of photos in Tehran. Edit: I found another of Marzieh Afkham's podium (this image is much cleaner). I understand the flags are not of the exact specifications, I just want to point out the emblem itself on the podium (and above her head, though that one is smaller in size). Negahbaan (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)