File talk:Eastern Mediterranean 1450.svg

Note: the following was copied from my Talk pages. MapMaster 18:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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I have some observations about this map. Thessaloniki was in Ottoman hands since 1430. Cyprus was an independent kingdom until 1489 and not in the hands of the Genoese around 1450. And you have placed the southeastern coast of Morea (Laconian coasts) out of the borders of the Despotate of Moreas in this map too.

Also,the islands of Kefalonia and of Ithaca weren't under Venetian rule in 1450, but under the rule of w:en:Leonardo III Tocco.

I am sorry to bother you.I really think that your maps are great.I like especially your historical maps of Italy. --Alekkas 16:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your comments.

1. I see now that I had thought that Genoa took possession of the entire island, rather than Famagusta, in the early 15th century. I am very sorry. The Encyclopedia Britannica says that the Kings of Cyprus paid tribute to Egypt, so I will probably color everything but Famagusta that light reddish color.
2. Regarding the southern coast of Morea (the Laconian coasts), my major source for this part of the map (Matthew, Donald, (1983), Atlas of Medieval Europe, Checkmark Books, New York.) says that these 2 small penisulas were controlled by Venice in 1490. You believe that they were controlled by Morea in 1450?
3. Regarding Kefalonia and of Ithaca my major source for this part of the map says that Venice took the islands over in 1209. You are saying that these islands were under the control of Epirus in 1450??

I will fix the Cyprus part of the map and await your comments on Morea and Epirus and Venics. Thanks, MapMaster 03:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

1. About the Laconian coasts, the peninsula in the right, as one sees the map, is were Monemvasia is located, and indeed it was in the hands of the Venetians after 1463.The other area (in the left) is Mani, which was for centuries a tributary semi-autonomous, semi-independent and many times rebellious part of the Ottoman Empire.That too, was certainly not a part of Venice in 1450.
2. Actually, a part of Epirus was in the hands of Kefalonia! Ioannina was in the hands of the Ottomans since 1430. Take a look at this link too: [1].You can take a look at the third map of this article too: Δεσποτάτο του Μορέως. It is about the borders as they were in 1444, but the borders in Epirus hadn't changed in 1450 from what is shown there.--Alekkas 09:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

About Kefalonia, in 1209 a Venetian suzerainity was established, but it didn't last long. Oh, and will you change the colour in the area of Koroni so as to show that it was under Venetian rule as I mentioned above? And if you can, make a translation into Greek of your map, Near East 1135.svg. I would appreciate that.--Alekkas 09:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, nice facts!!! Let me look over your information and make changes in the map. It will take several days, I fear. Thank you very much for your corrections. Always let me know of any.

And I would be very happy to translate Near East 1135.svg into Greek. Just give me the Greek words to use, and a few days. Thanks, MapMaster 01:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

And about Cyprus, let it also be shown in the map that it was a separate kingdom paying tribute to the Mamluks. Honestly, I don't know if this choice of colour (same colour in Cyprus and Mamluk Egypt) will make things better or worse because in 1450 Epirus,Morea and the Duchy of Athens paid tribute to the Ottomans, as other small states in the Balkans and in Minor Asia did, and in no map I have seen are they depicted with the same colour as the Ottoman Empire. I'll wait for your decision in this.--Alekkas 16:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, about some islands in northern Aegean,Lemnos, Thasos, Imvros, Tenedos, I don't think they were under Ottoman rule in 1450. Check it out yourself. And a link to a map that will help you a lot [2].--Alekkas 10:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Alekkas, I have made the changes you have recommended. Thank you for your comments. MapMaster 18:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Towns of Mesembria(today Nesebar) and Anhialo(today Pomorie),along with coast betwen them was also Byzantine in 1450. since Constantine XI in late 1452. offered it Mesembria to John Hunyadi. CrniBombarder!!! 03:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Tinos and Mykonos

Tinos and Mykonos were Venetian at this time, since 1390. They should be colored in green, like Euboea.--Phso2 (talk) 12:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Further errors

• The territory of the much diminished Byzantine Empire wasn't quite this small. According to Laonikos Chalkokondyles, its territory in Thrace extended along the Sea of Marmara west to Heracleia, & along the Black Sea coast north to Mesembria, & controlled the islands of Lemnos & Imbros (1.8).
• The territory of the Gattilusi family has been combined, in part with the Genoese territories. At this time, the Gattilusi controlled Lesbos, Thasos, Samothrace & two cities on the Aegean coast (Enez in Thrace & Eski Foca north of Izmir -- I don't know if these small cities are worth the effort to indicate).

It'd be nice if this map were updated with these corrections. -- llywrch (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

East part

The eastern territories in this map are not realistic. In 1450s east part of Anatolia was not under Ottoman rule; It was under the control of White Sheep Turkmens, Beylik of Dulkarid etc. Also the east part of Cilicia was not a part of Karamanids. It was under the Beylik of Ramazan who in turn was the vassal of Memluks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2017 (UTC)