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National Emblem of Greece

I think it is a very good yet necessary idea to recapitulate and formalize the representaion of the National Greek Emblem. So, according to Law 48 ([1]) passed in 1975, which includes the emblem in its last page I recapitulate:

• The emblem is monochrome.
• If blue colour is available then the escutcheon as well as the outline of the leaves are painted blue.
• If blue is not available and the emblem is normally in black, then horizontal lines within the escutcheon represent blue colour. This is a symbolic representation of blue. However, this rendering is paradoxically used even when blue is available and even when the whole emblem is in blue (blue is symbolized with blue!). I am pretty sure this is because people are either confused or have no heraldic knowledge or have taken the emblem directly from the Government Gazette and simply added colour. Eg.
• The emblem when alone and in its simplest form is not encircled. It is just the escutcheon with laurel branches. When used in government seals, it is normally placed in the inner circle. We can see this in the Government Gazette.

Therefore, I propose:

• To use this file in this page as the National Emblem of Greece.
• As for the present file with circles, although I find no use for it, we may keep it.

Dimboukas (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Some of your statements are only your own POV. Please see the facts first. Law 48 contains a blazon (sort of) which states only the following:

1. The coat of arms is in the form of a shield pointed at the center of the bottom side.

2. The color of the shield is blue (azure) and it is charged with a silver/white (argent) cross.

3. The shield is surrounded by two branches of laurel, crossing at the bootom. No color is specified for them.

4. The length of the vertical sides exceeds the length of the horizontal sides by 1/8, so the ratio is 8:9.

Based on this description (blazon), and according to heraldic tradition:

5. Azure is shown with fine horizontal lines in monochrome renderings. See File:Tinctures.svg.

6. As no color is specified for the laurel leaves, they can be rendered by the artist in gold (or), silver (argent) or proper (shades of green and brown) or even another color. All of them have been used at one time or another, none is more "correct". I believe that the law implies that the laurel leaves are proper, but it is only my personal view.

All other statements are not based on the blazon. They are just artistic and stylistic choices, some of them reasonable, others more extreme and outside the european heraldic traditions (Greece has a very limited heraldic tradition of its own). The currently favored style is a monochrome rendering, often in reverse (white on dark).

7. Any circle around the coat of arms is not part of it.

All other statements are not based on the blazon. They are just artistic and stylistic choices, some of them reasonable, others more extreme and outside the european heraldic traditions (Greece has a very limited heraldic tradition of its own). The currently favored style is a monochrome rendering, often in reverse (white on dark).

SV1XV (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I understand your greatest doubt is about the colour of the leaves. It is difficult to decide on this. My problem is now those circles around the emblem. I find no reason for them. Dimboukas (talk) 09:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

As you see, I agree that the circle is not specified in the blazon. SV1XV (talk) 11:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I am going to revert the emblem to that without circles. Dimboukas (talk) 14:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

First, I'm sorry it took me so long to reply. Second however, whether you see a need or use for the circles really is not relevant to this. If they're part of the emblem, they stay. We need to figure out what the official emblem is, but personal feelings do not belong here. I'm going to ask the uploader to give any sources he has on the matter. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok. You can check the law by yourself. I really do not understand how the uploader came up with those circles. They are definitely not part of the emblem. Dimboukas (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, I would like to apologize for not having replied earlier but university is getting tough this time of year. I would like to raise two issues. The first is in regards to the emblem you have suggested we use (). In my understanding, this functions more like a government logo (this is in fact taken from a PDF of a document of the Ministry of Finance) rather than an actual coat of arms. You will notice that this particular version differs slightly from the ones used by the Government Gazette or even the cover of Greek passports.

The second issue I would like to raise is in regards to the color of the laurel leaves. Since no specification is made as to the actual color of the leaves, I believe they should be left azure; the Coat of Arms always appears monochrome on official governmental sources, with the occasional exception (i.e. Greek Embassy in Washington).

As for the circles around the emblem, I am indifferent as to whether they stay or go. I only included them because thats what the Presidency has on the website, but apparently now they are using my own version of the Coat of Arms. lol. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Also, I believe there is a slight issue with the cross on the escutcheon as well. On my passport the cross appears to have a width of 1:5, while on my older passport it is 1:3. --Philly boy92 (talk) 23:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

On the contrary, I do not suggest we use this ()! Indeed I believe too it is some kind of government logo. It may have arisen from misunderstanding of the emblem in the Government Gazette. Ι do not think the leaves should be green. Finally, I would not worry about the cross since notthing is specified about it. I don't think we have to change anything about the cross Dimboukas (talk) 00:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• What about the dimensions of cross antennas? In the law we can see some sketches that look like the dimension of the cross antennas are the same as in greek flag (1/5 of the escutcheon's length and not 1/3) What do you suggest?Lefkadaisl (talk)12:38, 01 November 2014 (UTC)

Different design?

Take a look at this official document: https://www.culture.gr/DocLib/ETHNOSIMO_GUIDELINES_wall[1].pdf (TakisA1 (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC))