File talk:Coat of Arms of Cardinal Richelieu.svg

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wrong anchor (sea anchor, should be a river anchor), wrong number of fiocchi (original sources show 20 not 30) wrong mantling shape (original sources show it circular), processionnal cross not attested in historical sources. Alexander Liptak may be a marvellous heraldic designer, he is not an historical source. (User:86.195.66.243)

I am not aiming to make a carbon copy of the first source. The shape of the mantling is quite irrelevant. The amount of fiocchi varied widely in that time, and I have opted to follow the later standardisation to make it less confusing. I did not claim Alexander Liptak as a historical source, I did however takes cues from his design. While I'm not a nautical expert, the difference between a sea anchor and a river anchor don't seem all that clear from the source. The historical source in question is an armorial for the order of the Holy Spirit, and other clergy do show a processional cross, both Richelieus strangely don't, and this seems to be an error on the armorial's part. I can remove it. Lemmens, Tom (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)