Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope: Symbiotic relation of Creatophora cinerea (Wattled Starling) and Syncerus caffer (African Buffalo)
Oppose One of the horns partly hides the bird, and the pictures tells nothing about the nature of the symbiosis, thus failing to illustrate the scope. --Eusebius (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
CommentI'm afraid, you are setting the level TOO high. We have just 9 files of Creatophora cinerea on commons. One on Zebra, two on Buffalo. I hope, you are not expecting to have a picture of bird while removing the ticks. Buffalo's are not the kind of animal to approach. I nominated this picture because it is best we have and to be realistic, it is good. If you search google images for Creatophora cinerea and buffalo you can see there not even ten images. Ikiwaner was lucky to capture this. --Nevit Dilmen (talk) 19:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying the image is not good, or not valuable. I'm not saying it's the best we have (crit. 1), I'm saying it does not illustrate the scope (crit. 3). The scope is the symbiosis, it does not tell the essence of it. That's all I say. --Eusebius (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you describe your expectation? How should a photograph show the subject for you? This photo is similar to many photos provided in books. The photo shows two animals together and the rest of information always goes in text. The animal provides the insects (food for bird) and benefits from being cleaned. Sorry I am disapointed by your approach. We are trying to identify good and valuable pictures and this is one of them. --Nevit Dilmen (talk) 06:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know what VI is. I was in the process when it was founded. The main aim of VI was to find ind motivate providers of images which was hard to pass FP and QI. The whole thing got a different way.
Btw, all you have to say does not explain how a photo can be taken that show this symbiosis better than this one. You also did not point to a better photo. --Nevit Dilmen (talk) 08:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A suitable picture would expose the nature of the symbiosis (and probably provide a clear view on both actors), as I did say. And I never said there was a better picture (I did not oppose with respect to this criterion). --Eusebius (talk) 09:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
