NeutralSupportOppose ack Alvesgaspar. Not disclosing manipulations is dishonest. This has happened before. So as not to jump to conclusions, changing to neutral for now. -- Ram-Man04:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Sorry, but the shadows are not consistent with the apparent direction of the light source, which means that they are not natural. If the picture was manipulated that should be clearly stated in the image file. Alvesgaspar19:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are no undisclosed manipulations, Ram Man, go and read the en:wiki discussion more carefully and make sure you have arrived at the correct conclusion. They suspect me of lying and are discussing what I might have been dishonest about. And it would not be the first time you have looked at evidence and after much consideration have reached entirely the wrong conclusion Atoma Commons:Featured picture candidates/Tawny Frogmouth 1.jpg-- thanks Ram Man, I'll upload a couple of screenshots showing my edits to clear any ambiguity User:Benjamint444|Benjamint444]] 03:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, here is a screen shot showing all the layers in the image (luckily I save as TIFF). Hopefully it will clear this up. As I was putting it together I noticed a couple of layers that make quite large changes, So I understand if people think they should have been declared, but in all honesty I think that they are fairly trivial things and I don't believe that it needs a picture retouched tag just for them. Especialy considering the nature of this shot If the general consensus is that basic enhansments need to be detailed in the image description then I will rectify this image and add those details to my future uploads. The image in the top left of the screen dump is the original, complete with grit on the paper and a stick to prop the apple up. I've never done a shot like this before so my editing was fairly rambling because I was just experimenting with it. --Benjamint44411:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just realised what caused the shadow, I took some of the shots with a mirror behind them to direct as much light onto the paper as possible, (experimenting) and that would make a shadow on both sides. --Benjamint444 11:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC) anyway, I've uploaded the screenshot. The left half was propped with twigs (the whole image was a mess from the start), in light of this my last comment is irrelevant, I didn't guess what caused it myself untill now, all I knew was that it was in the original.
Info created by, uploaded by and nominated by --Benjamint444 09:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Support --Benjamint444 09:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Neutral
Oppose ack Alvesgaspar. Not disclosing manipulations is dishonest. This has happened before.
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