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File:Sadat and Begin clean2.jpg, not featured[edit]

Voting period ends on 7 Apr 2009 at 16:07:02
Camp David Accords (1978) Cropped version

  •  Info created by Leffler, Warren K. - cleaned up version of File:Sadat_and_Begin.jpg, uploaded and selfnom by User:Jaakobou Jaakobou (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Info Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat at the Camp David Accords. Jaakobou (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- Jaakobou (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question why did you darken the face of the man in the middle (Anwar Sadat?)? Is this sth that is "allowed" in a restoration? (original(?) <-> restoration) --AngMoKio (talk) 11:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply - Original had the tonal details washed up a little (due to old age probably). At first I left it the same and his skin tone looked very similar to Menahem Begin's, but then we had a bunch of TV shows with clips from those days (we're celebrating 30 years of the peace accords) and he's not just a bit dark like Begin but more Black like Michael Jordan. I used tonal details from the original to dilute the over-exposure a bit and get a more natural (and closer to real-life) tonal output. Hope this answers your query. Jaakobou (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for your reply. I am just wondering if a restoration should keep the colours (or in this case the grey nuances) as in the original or if the picture should get adapted to reality. I tend to say that historical documents should get restored in a way that tries to make them look as they were before time, light, dust,.. changed them. A restoration should remove the influence of time on a photo. As you only change this one persons face, I think it was rather a adaptation to reality (imho). But this is really a difficult topic and I am really no expert concerning restoration. --AngMoKio (talk) 17:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thought I'd link a sample photo where you can see the tonal features File:Sadat Carter Begin handshake (cropped) - USNWR.jpg. Jaakobou (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is a normal effect of histogram adjustment, which is a normal step in restoration. Durova (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Histogram adjustment affects the whole picture, I guess. Here it is just the face of one person that is affected. When you only change one face you change some "facts" compared to the original. In the original the face was quite bright maybe bcs of a spotlight or sth. In the restored version this is not that visible anymore. I just wonder if this is sth that should be done in a restoration. I am not really sure about it...guess we should discuss it with others too to get to a point. To judge a restoration is a bit different than judging a photos made by commons users. Maybe we even have to add sth in the text about how to judge pictures. It can't be only about wow, composition and technical quality. You always have to compare it with the original to judge the work. --AngMoKio (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
result: 1 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral =>  not featured (rule of five days). --Karel (talk) 18:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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