Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Heroico1.jpg

File:Heroico1.jpg, not featured

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• Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Historical
•  Info created by Alberto Korda - uploaded by Redthoreau - nominated by W.carter -- Cart (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Support Since we already have some iconic photos as FPs (like 1 and 2), I don't see why we shouldn't have Alberto Korda's photo of Che Guevara: Guerrillero Heroico as well. Yes it is a bit small, but since the original is in Cuba, it might be hard to get a better resolution. I would also rather have the original for FP than one of the millions of versions of it, but Korda's own processed crop from it could be considered as an Alt. -- Cart (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• The alt is above 2 MP, but pictures smaller than that can be considered for FP for strong mitigating reasons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

•  Support - The quality of this photo is much higher than that of the cropped version. I don't think it's very hard to travel to Cuba, though. So to whomever gets the chance to visit the Museo Che Guevara in Havana and permission to take a high-resolution photo of this photograph, there's your assignment. :-) -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• You are right about the going-to-Cuba-part :) as there are charters, it might be another thing to get access to the negative and get a perfect film scan of it. --Cart (talk) 11:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

•  Comment let's not argue about resolution here, there are more important questions to be considered. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this one here seems to be digitized from a signed print made by Korda in 1998 (compare this version). There are multiple ways to print a negative in the darkroom, this is one of them but not the one that got famous. It is probably closer to the original negative, and you could argue that it is of better quality than, say, File:CheHigh.jpg, especially regarding the conservation of detail in the highlights. However, this is not really the iconic picture of world fame – that would be the other version that was not only cropped but also printed for high contrast with deep blacks and blown-out highlights on the face. AFAIR, it was done like that on purpose by the photographer in the darkroom to create a specific look, and that look is part of what made this image famous. Similarly, a perfect scan of the negative would be great for a variety of reasons, but it wouldn't be more than a RAW file without the photographer's signature processing. --El Grafo (talk) 16:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• I mentioned the crop as a possible Alt in the opening comment. Like you say, it's that version that became famous. With historical photos, I just tend to like to see the original. But I have no problem with adding the crop as an Alt. --Cart (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• This nomination is similar to that one. On one hand, it's written on the file page "If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it" but on the other hand the guidelines say "a work of poor quality depicting a contemporaneous historical event can be nonetheless important, even if the artistic merit is relatively low. Likewise, scans or photographs of important documents – which may not be at all artistic – nonetheless may be highly valuable if the documents are historically significant." The picture displayed on the page List of iconic photographs is File:GuerrilleroHeroico2.jpg (as in many other pages of Wikipedia). It's not big but the quality is close to the original. However, perhaps the difficulty here will be to select the right version to feature, among all those available. This one for example was strongly rejected in 2016. That one, dated and signed, is my favorite, although it failed also in 2013. I may support the File:GuerrilleroHeroico2.jpg or the File:Che_Guevara,_Guerrillero_Heroico.jpg as an "iconic photograph" (see the derivative works), but not the non-cropped version above which has less impact in the mind of everyone -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

•  Support —-Granada (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Support Funny. I'm writing an essay currently and I elaborated a bit on Korda's contact sheet in a footnote just a couple of days ago... --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 06:26, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose As discussed, this isn't the famous one, and 1.5MP isn't among our finest historical photos. The photographer cropped it for a reason. -- Colin (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Comment Boy, he looks an awful lot like Jon Snow here ... Daniel Case (talk) 05:46, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Support Tomer T (talk) 19:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose messy composition. Charles (talk) 16:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Alt: Cropped version

•  Info Since opinions will differ about this, I'm adding the cropped version as an Alt. --Cart (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose I'm not convinced this contrast-enhanced white-face version is authentic to Korda's print (but could be wrong). Time has this variant and Christie's has this variant. See also File:Guerrillero Heroico signed by Alberto Korda.jpeg. I think actually the initial upload version is better than this supposedly "high res" (upsampled?) and oversharpened one. It has all the quality of a bad gif with dithered grey tones. I'd actually support reverting as comparing the current revision with the old shows no more details. It is a shame, because there's no doubt this is one of the most famous and reproduced photos in the world and we certainly should have a featured quality Korda print. Wrt the above argument about getting a scan of the negative, I'd rather a better photo/scan of one of Korda's prints. The negative, and any contact sheets, are of nerdy interest to photographers, but it is the print that was published and made famous. -- Colin (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Colin. Daniel Case (talk) 05:47, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Colin. --Gnosis (talk) 05:11, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Result: 5 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Cart (talk) 14:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)