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- Info all by Wladyslaw. This TV Tower near Basel, Switzerland was finisehd 1984 and became this year 30 years old. It was 1984 the most modern Television Tower in Europe because of many groundbreaking engineering solutions. The very unusual shape makes this building interessting. I took this image last weekend as we had a very nice sunlight and a beautiful autumn scenery. -- Wladyslaw (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support -- Wladyslaw (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Pro for me, whith this impressive sharpness no doubt, but have a look at the notes. --Hubertl (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- sorry, but I can't see s.th. significant or a fault (this is a single shot) --Wladyslaw (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, its not significant at all, I just wanted to explain what my really little concerns are. In any case, its FP for me. I know, you are a perfectionist and your own detractor (at least with pictures ;-).--Hubertl (talk) 14:41, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- sorry, but I can't see s.th. significant or a fault (this is a single shot) --Wladyslaw (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support --Hubertl (talk) 14:41, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support ArionEstar (talk) 15:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Technically ok but for me it is the picture of an antenna, I don't see wow. Sorry.--LivioAndronico talk 07:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's not an antenna but a TV Tower; and as I explained a very notable one. If you dislike the object it's not a valid point for an oppose of the picture IMO. --Wladyslaw (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Antenna , TV , tower, don't know in your country but Italy is full .... and who says it isn't a good reason? For me there is nothing special, if you think it can't oppose not think it's in the guidelines.Regards.--LivioAndronico talk 15:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Ready my note carefully and your answer is needless. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Dear Wladyslaw,needless else is here --LivioAndronico talk 20:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Persons who are not able or willing do make a difference between a TV Tower and an antenna should be spare with instructions. --Wladyslaw (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Or maybe other people should concentrate more on useful things that the antennas--LivioAndronico talk 21:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)- For sure we don't need your disrespectful comment here. --Wladyslaw (talk) 08:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- You're too nervous, accepts the criticism and not think that what others say is useless and you the only one to understand something, this game bored me --LivioAndronico talk 08:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- For sure we don't need your disrespectful comment here. --Wladyslaw (talk) 08:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Persons who are not able or willing do make a difference between a TV Tower and an antenna should be spare with instructions. --Wladyslaw (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Dear Wladyslaw,needless else is here --LivioAndronico talk 20:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Ready my note carefully and your answer is needless. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Antenna , TV , tower, don't know in your country but Italy is full .... and who says it isn't a good reason? For me there is nothing special, if you think it can't oppose not think it's in the guidelines.Regards.--LivioAndronico talk 15:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's not an antenna but a TV Tower; and as I explained a very notable one. If you dislike the object it's not a valid point for an oppose of the picture IMO. --Wladyslaw (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose There’s something wrong with the sharpness. While the top of the tower is crisp sharp and highly detailed, the trees below the tower are very blurry, but the near trees on the right are sharp again, so it’s not a DoF issue (which would be surprising at f/8 and 24 mm). I find that rather distracting. On the compositional site, it’s a good image but a bit too straightforward, leading to lack of wow. --Kreuzschnabel 18:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the focus is for sure on the main object (the tower) and not the trees. Apart from that I can't realize a problem with the sharpness, your are the first until now. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course the focus is on the main object (as I already wrote, if you just read more carefully). I just wonder why foreground and main object are both equally sharp while another area between their distances is unsharp. --Kreuzschnabel 21:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I read your note carefully. A single shot can never be in every pixel in high sharpness. To claim a every-pixel-high-sharpness is not realistic. This you should now. I see no problem for the picture quality because of some not very sharp tree branches that are not main object. --Wladyslaw (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you obviously didn’t read carefully enough. The point is: I just wonder why foreground and main object are both equally sharp while another area between their distances is unsharp – the antennas are of excellent sharpness, and so are the foreground trees, but the trees below the tower (which are closer than the antenna!) are not. Of course a single shot cannot be sharp in every pixel, but if the DoF is sufficient to show both antenna top and foreground trees sharp, then the bottom trees, the distance of which is in between, should be sharp too. This picture appears to have two different focal distances, that’s what distracts me. --Kreuzschnabel 04:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- If this is the 24-70, this lens shows tons of field curvature at 24, so large parts outside the center will actually be focused closer than the center, therefore nearer objects will be sharper than expected, while far-away subjects are not very sharp at 100% (not that I would describe this as an issue here). This is an example (on a DX!, even worse on a FX)--DXR (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for the first matter-of-fact answer to my question! That really explains it, so it’s a weakness of the lens used. As for my opinion about the image, though it’s altogether nice, this one issue still distracts me too much to support. --Kreuzschnabel 08:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is quite absurd to attest one of the best Nikkor lenses lacking sharpness. No more reason for me to take your comments serious. --Wladyslaw (talk) 10:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- I am not discussing your lens, I am discussing this very image. Though the blurred area in it is clearly visible, you keep saying it can’t be there because this is one of the best Nikkor lenses, and anyone saying it’s there can’t be serious. One of the two of us is really making a fool of himself. --Kreuzschnabel 12:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Just a fool belife that a single shoot had to be in every pixel accurate sharply. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- If the farthest and the closest object in a single frame are sharp, the depth of field covers the entire frame, and so everything in between should be sharp too. --Kreuzschnabel 04:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Just a fool belife that a single shoot had to be in every pixel accurate sharply. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- I am not discussing your lens, I am discussing this very image. Though the blurred area in it is clearly visible, you keep saying it can’t be there because this is one of the best Nikkor lenses, and anyone saying it’s there can’t be serious. One of the two of us is really making a fool of himself. --Kreuzschnabel 12:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is quite absurd to attest one of the best Nikkor lenses lacking sharpness. No more reason for me to take your comments serious. --Wladyslaw (talk) 10:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for the first matter-of-fact answer to my question! That really explains it, so it’s a weakness of the lens used. As for my opinion about the image, though it’s altogether nice, this one issue still distracts me too much to support. --Kreuzschnabel 08:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- If this is the 24-70, this lens shows tons of field curvature at 24, so large parts outside the center will actually be focused closer than the center, therefore nearer objects will be sharper than expected, while far-away subjects are not very sharp at 100% (not that I would describe this as an issue here). This is an example (on a DX!, even worse on a FX)--DXR (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you obviously didn’t read carefully enough. The point is: I just wonder why foreground and main object are both equally sharp while another area between their distances is unsharp – the antennas are of excellent sharpness, and so are the foreground trees, but the trees below the tower (which are closer than the antenna!) are not. Of course a single shot cannot be sharp in every pixel, but if the DoF is sufficient to show both antenna top and foreground trees sharp, then the bottom trees, the distance of which is in between, should be sharp too. This picture appears to have two different focal distances, that’s what distracts me. --Kreuzschnabel 04:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I read your note carefully. A single shot can never be in every pixel in high sharpness. To claim a every-pixel-high-sharpness is not realistic. This you should now. I see no problem for the picture quality because of some not very sharp tree branches that are not main object. --Wladyslaw (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course the focus is on the main object (as I already wrote, if you just read more carefully). I just wonder why foreground and main object are both equally sharp while another area between their distances is unsharp. --Kreuzschnabel 21:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the focus is for sure on the main object (the tower) and not the trees. Apart from that I can't realize a problem with the sharpness, your are the first until now. --Wladyslaw (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support No wow here, but as a well made illustration for Wikimedia Commons it more than suits its purpose. Who says sharpness is insufficient? Are you guys considering printing larger than life posters? Jules Grandgagnage (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment See my answer of 4:26 UTC. Sharpness of the antennas is excellent of course, I never doubted that. But the trees at the bottom of the tower are much too blurred for me, considering that the (much closer!) foreground trees at the right are crisp sharp again, and DoF at 24 mm and f/8 should be ample sufficient to show everything sharp in this frame. --Kreuzschnabel 04:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support Adequate quality and a nice composition, imo. --DXR (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a QI, as it should be, but not a FP. There is no harm in that and it is not the fault of the photographer that it is not good FP material. That said, apparently others feel that lacking a wow factor is still good enough for support votes. -- Ram-Man 17:50, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support --Ralf Roleček 22:18, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose sorry, but per Ram-Man. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 15:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 6 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /-- Christian Ferrer Talk / Im. / Fav. 12:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)